need help asap. i want to run my TII without the stock intake and just turbo???
08-02-07, 02:40 PM
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need help asap. i want to run my TII without the stock intake and just turbo???
well i know it sounds weird and i really cant remember the name of that part ( brain fart) well i just want to take all that stuff out and just run my car with out all stock TII intake and run with the turbo showing out? does anyone understand and if so please help me
08-02-07, 02:50 PM
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You mean you want to remove the TID?
Regardless of whether you do this or not, you still need the AFM and mounting it directly on the turbo is a bit hard to do because of space. Also you'll be sucking in hot air, so there's nothing really to gain.
Regardless of whether you do this or not, you still need the AFM and mounting it directly on the turbo is a bit hard to do because of space. Also you'll be sucking in hot air, so there's nothing really to gain.
08-02-07, 02:57 PM
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I know what you want, but you are going to have to spend a lot of money on this. You want to convert from an AFM to map, ur going to need a standalone computer, either megasquirt, power fc, haltech, microtech, etc.. some tuning knowledge, and a good map sensor, megasquirt has one in it, power fc you can use a gm 3 bar one and i beleive you can with the oher ones as well. Just decide how much you want to spend. It'll be somewhere between $400 - $1600 depending on what you want.
Not really worth it if you are just wanting your turbo to look cool.
Not really worth it if you are just wanting your turbo to look cool.
08-02-07, 03:01 PM
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well i have a megasquirt ecu that i havent installed yet, and i still need to buy a map sensor? and if so which one would u recomend, and its not to look kewl , im also going with a bigger turbo, and by any chane can the rtek do it
08-02-07, 03:10 PM
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last i knew rtek does not have the AFM removal code written for it yet. The megasquirt already has a map sensor that comes with the kit when you buy / build it i beleive it is a 2bar map sensor that come with it. Should be a little nipple that sticks out the front of the megasquirt
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08-02-07, 04:48 PM
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don't you run a higher risk of engine damage by not running a filter? I assume it will be street driven and all the dirt, grime and crap that can go into the engine will damage it.
I never undesrtood the point of removing the filter.
I never undesrtood the point of removing the filter.
08-02-07, 04:59 PM
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I could be way off on this but from the description you gave, it sounds like your wanting to put a turbo so its mounted right in the front bumper like on those drag cars?? At least thats the picture I get. But I dont know. Maybe Im just being stupid right now. lol.
08-02-07, 05:13 PM
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no^^^^ i think he wants the turbo to be seen. He wants to remove the air filter, AFM and TID. You read what the people above said: you cannot do it without going standalone because the ecu will not get the correct airflow reading and won't let the car turn on.
the only problem I see with this is that the air will not be filtered and mazda started using filters because the rotary is finicky and a small amount of dirt will damage the internals and you could end up loosing compression.
From what I understand he only wants it for looks which is a dumb way to kill your car. I don't even know why ppl do it to race cars (maybe they get rebuilt more often due to high HP applications that cause damage more quickly and when using a velocity stack it improves performance?)<<<my best guess but i think some might be able to explain it to me.
the only problem I see with this is that the air will not be filtered and mazda started using filters because the rotary is finicky and a small amount of dirt will damage the internals and you could end up loosing compression.
From what I understand he only wants it for looks which is a dumb way to kill your car. I don't even know why ppl do it to race cars (maybe they get rebuilt more often due to high HP applications that cause damage more quickly and when using a velocity stack it improves performance?)<<<my best guess but i think some might be able to explain it to me.
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08-02-07, 06:48 PM
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Filters are often removed at racetracks because turbos run on a pressure differential from ambient versus charge. Lower the pressure drop across the inducer and you gain pressure across the exducer. Along with that, racetracks (at least in the 1/4 mile world), are meticulously maintained, so chances of injesting anything that would cause damage is virtually nil.
08-02-07, 08:54 PM
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lol - I've seen drift cars that don't run a filter, they just run a piece of screen mesh across the front of the turbo. That would probably work if you trailered it everywhere you went and had a couple of spare engines like the pros typically do.
Yes, the Megasquirt has a built in MAP sensor, so you wouldn't have to buy or design anything elaborate, just plumb it in to the stock location with vacuum tubing. That would let you do what you want.
And if you decide to do it, remember that RotaryResurrection does a nice inexpensive rebuild, if you catch him at a time when he's accepting new cars for rebuild.
Yes, the Megasquirt has a built in MAP sensor, so you wouldn't have to buy or design anything elaborate, just plumb it in to the stock location with vacuum tubing. That would let you do what you want.
And if you decide to do it, remember that RotaryResurrection does a nice inexpensive rebuild, if you catch him at a time when he's accepting new cars for rebuild.
08-03-07, 07:49 AM
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well thank you guys for the help, well its actully a drfitre, incase anyone was wondering, im going to drift in on Aug11 here in houston....i know it looks kewl but im not going to risk my motor and especially since its been rebuilt not to long ago ( about 1100 miles) and it rpb become my daily driver.. but does anyone know what i can do and have besides having that huge box when i open the hood, i just hate that stock look.....
08-03-07, 10:20 AM
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It's debatable whether the increased airflow offsets the fact that you're sucking in hotter enginebay air instead of a little less, but cooler air from the front of the hood like the stock setup has it, but I didn't notice a lot of difference either way, and it sure cleans up the engine bay.
08-03-07, 12:47 PM
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well the motor has 1100 right now but by the end of next wekk im pretty sure il have bout 2k on it..lol....but thank you guys i really apreciate it a lot especially all the comments and advices, but what did u guys do? did u guys keep that stock look or what?