n/a power?
 

i need a drifter,i broke my fd learing to drift. is there any chance at gettting around 200 hp from a n/a fc with a 2 or 3 thousand dollar budget? how much power can you get by porting a n/a motor. and for all you kno it all diKs who are about to reply, " there's no magic number for how much hp you can get with 2 or 3 g's." juss STFU! i juss need a car with enough torque and hp to drive sideways a lot without revving the shit out of the motor.

Put in a stock 13b NA motor in it and then buy 4 spare tire donuts to put on it.....you will get sideways whenever u want to!

-Lee

PS- This is a dirty post isn't it? I am sorry...I feel dirty now...this is my first flame-like post on the forum...

PSS- 200hp in an NA fc is not hard at all. Streetported NA 13b with straight through exhaust and a cone filter will be well above 200 hp.

You don't need power to get the car sideways. Once you learn to drift (this is not a flame so don't start a war please) more efficiently you'll realize that. All you need to drift a car is the right setup (suspension)...that's much more important than how much hp/tq that you have in the motor.

Anyway, as for your question about the 13B N/A...yes you can get 200hp from the engine quite easily after you port it :D. Sorry if you feel like I'm being ignorant, but i'm just stating the facts...sometimes the truth hurts. I'd expect anyone else to do the same to me.

How did you break your FD anyhow...what exactly did you break? Also were you at a contest/event or were you just sliding around on the street for fun at the time? Fess up ;)

You don't need power to get the car sideways. Once you learn to drift (this is not a flame so don't start a war please) more efficiently you'll realize that. All you need to drift a car is the right setup (suspension)...that's much more important than how much hp/tq that you have in the motor.

Anyway, as for your question about the 13B N/A...yes you can get 200hp from the engine quite easily after you port it :D. Sorry if you feel like I'm being ignorant, but i'm just stating the facts...sometimes the truth hurts. I'd expect anyone else to do the same to me.

How did you break your FD anyhow...what exactly did you break? Also were you at a contest/event or were you just sliding around on the street for fun at the time? Fess up ;)

Sorry, 200HP N/A (rear-wheel) ISN'T that easy. You'd need something more than a streetport and exhaust. Big Port (Ito, BP, or P-Port), fuel tuned by the torque curve, and a Tuned Collected exhaust are a nice place to START

i kno you dun need lots of power to drift. im not a pro but i can drift a stock fc stock suspension thru multiple turns. i just was curious as to how easy it is to acheive those figures with that budget. and i was on the street racing my friends m3 after he got some headwork done i was taking a second gear drift real hard, tires screeching then all the sudden i get no boost from my second turbo, my car still runs i juss thought it was time for extreme mods

does any1 else have any thought on the issue? is liquid right or just an angry person?

i hanvt done it yet, but i think it would be easier for you to get this setup done, cuz ur in usa. buy a s4 t2 JDM engine w/ tranny, remove the turbo, put a carb/intake manifoil on it, go straightpipe, do a bridgeport and put this in your car. u can also try to find 2 n/a rotors and counterweights to put in the t2 engine. you will have a beast after this.

You are the biggest goddamn loser I've ever encountered on this board. Do us all a favour and don't reproduce.


Anyone else think this is a troll account? Nobody can be this bloody stupid in real life.

If you're going to drift an FC make sure you get a set of the toe eliminators for the rear susp.

Liquid is right.

My goal for my N/A is ~200rwhp. Let me tell you now that it will not be something easy or cheap. I am spending as much money for my goal N/A HP than I couldve used to buy a Turbo2. But I just like the N/A and think it will be cool. If all you are after is power, then by all means just get a turbo2, the N/A is by no means a HP monster. Fun as hell, reliable, free revving, yes. My goal for my N/A is to break 13s. You could do that on a turbo2 with not much more than an intake and full exhaust with a little more fuel.

Common man, no flaming, you know better!

When it comes to the n/a cars, the stock afm will not flow enough air to make 200rwhp, without the aid of nitrous. I know because I'm maxing the stock one out, and only making 167rwhp on a mustang, or about 180ish on a dynoJet. Now if you where to go with a haltech/micro, you'ld come alot closer for shure. Boost is the only way to make power. CJ

^ OHHH YEA! This is going in my sig.

cmon yall keep talking... feed me this information lol i like this idea of 200+ horsies in a NA... would it be cheaper then doing a full swap of na to t2? im also going to drift but i like that 200 horsies range sounds nice i only have 130 and my car is fwd.. can only drift in the rain with the e-brake lol

It's possible, but not likely. That's why I'm trying for it.

Ive seen 160rwhp on a stock port S5 engine, with not all that many mods. Id think with a good sized port and some fuel tuning, ~190ish would be obtainable. I agree the AFM is starting to become the biggest bottleneck the more power you are making, and a standalone would help trmendously, if for no other reason than to elimintate the AFM. I wish there was a way that we could wire in mustang style sensors, where it just reads from a metal filament, there is almost no restriction.

Vein type AFM....

hmmm some 200 horsies in a NA is really hard to do huh... damn... how much can 2000 dollars get ya LOL

About 170

damn lol hah what could i do though? is that with porting and exhaust and intake? what else am i missing... for 2000 maybe u can do some weird stuff... hey you know whats weird... an si has like 160hp and the rx-7 has 143 and the rx-7 would tear up on it wouldnt it?

i beg to differ, i know a guy that got 207.6rwhp on a large street port :) so those that dont believe 200rwhp is possible on a street port, there it is :) his n/a ran a 13.1, it does however weigh about 2250lbs as it has LOTS of weight reduction :)

hey if i can dip in to the low 14s or mid 14s i am happy with a NA but what would i have to do to get down there with an NA

If your really looking for serious power, I would look at some other path's besides an n/a 13B.

Thanks, I couldnt think of the word... :dunce:

yeah hmmm

well i was looking in to a na to t2 swap but that cost a few and i can prob get a n/a 13b for less then a grand cuz the rx7 im getting doesnt run i need a new engine unless i come upon a rx7 that runs under a grand

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D3rELiC, that sounds like more than 2 or 3 g's worth of sh*t for a guy who sometimes changes his own iol, but usually not........ and Fingers, go F*ck yourself with those Fingers....... Mr. Eccentric what are toe eliminators? and how much will that cost with labor? is it really necessary, ive drifted stock fc's b4.......... Rxmfn7 i am not looking for a HP monster, i have my fd for that and im spending a butt load of money on it to make it around 400 to 450 rwhp, i need a reliable daily driver out of the fc that has enough power to hold its own and drift with ease, something i can put a lot of miles on and beat on, i guess i would settle for around 180 to 190 to the wheels.......... pp13bnos what the crap is a afm?? and haltech/micro??? is it within the 2 to 3 g budget of mine (labor costs included)????... marcus219 im not looking for serious power, just reliable power,,, is 200hp serious power??????

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Bull. Im calling major BS on this one. You simply can not drift a stock FC through multiple turns. Put down the controller and turn the console off now! I kind of doubt that you even own an FD. Secondary turbos went out while you were 'screeching around'? Sounds like a line straight out of Initial D. "Are my secondary turbos not working??!?!" Maybe you have wet dreams of owning an FD and are on the Initial D/option fanboy bandwagon and only have an NA FC...you don't need to lie to kick it, JoeD lover.

If you do have an FD, you probably just popped a vacuum hose. Most likely one on the pressure tank. You should read up on your cars before you start driving them hard and breaking them.

200rwhp on an NA FC, especially an S4 is very difficult. Only a small percentage of NA owners who fix up their cars have reached that goal. For the most part, if you dont have the cash or the know how to do it...it's not going to happen. You gotta pay to play. It's pretty apparent that you're going to have to pay a lot to reach your goal if you don't even change your own oil or have any basic car knowledge. To reach 200rwhp you'll need some good porting, full exhaust (tune as previously mentioned (please by all means get 3" piping)) some kind of fuel management like vpro or safc, ignition work like jacobs, twin power, or msd, some drivetrain work, and tuning, tuning, tuning.

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Woa! We got a real life TAKUMI here!!! I would LOVE to see some proof of you out there "drifting" a STOCK FC around multiple turns without bogging out. You need some NAaawwWWwzSzzzzzzZZZss!! for your FC if you want 200 horses.

For those of you who don't know, Takumi is the main fruitball in InitialD who is the best drifter in the whole galaxy BUT doesnt know anything about cars.

Mustangs use a Hot wire AFM, vane style afm's are what we allready have.

NO FLAMING< First and final warning... the last thing you want to do as a newbie is start flaming the people you might need help from or want answers from.

We have vein air flow then....the wire one is mass air flow then.

We have vein air flow then....the wire one is mass air flow then.

Mazda got it.
The Renesis AFM is a hot wire type.

BlackR1, i like your animation, but dont hate, just kuzz you cant do it. there is a road right by my house with a right, left, then right agin, all three turns are tight and must be done in 1st with a fc.i can take all three turns in every car ive tried, including stock fc, there is sand and loose gravel, but not too much. I do have an fd whether you choose to beleive so or not, i am aware that there is a good chance its a vaccum line or something minor, i have been saving for a while and regardless of any problems or not, i was going to get a new ported motor, turbo, ecu upgrade, and a few other thingsthis summer, i just thought it would be a good time now. I'm not an initial d kid, ive tried to download some of them from kazaa, but it won't work, ive still never seen one and ive played the arcade game enough to get a spoiler. i appreciate your input in the last paragragh, but dont hate on people, who chose a more financially satisfying career then auto mechanics. i simply dont have the time to learn to work on my car, it would be more cost effective for me to work during those hours and just pay the most reputable places to do my work. i try to learn the most i can on my freetime, thats why i joined this (sh*t talking) forum and wan, i dont have to or want to prove anything to you, nobody wants to hear what you have to say so just leave and dont come back...
also, i am not putting down machanics, my dad and uncle are mechanics and i have a great respect for what mechanics can do for me and thats why i pay them big moneys

what options are available to replace the stock afm?

Aftermarket Engine Computer... that's it.

o0o00o will people pop my hood and say "not a bad way to spend a thousand dollars" ?!?!?

i didnt list all the little sh*t like, intake, pulley,exhaust, clutch,etc. my estimate came out to 10 to 16 with labor for R&R and everything dik. depending on if i go with the haltech or pfc and if i go with rebuilt, modified stock turbos or a BB turbo.

Icemark, I'm not trying to flame but i just gotta say this:D


1.Sorry y did you join a shit talking forum?? Care to elaborate?
2.I usually pay my mechanics with interac cause alot of places don't accept big moneys anymore, but i still respect my mechanics.
3.I've never drivfted a car b4. closest i've come to that is pulling the hand break in a parking-lot full of snow in my FWD eclipse and since the snow was the thing helping me get the rear out it was pretty hard to get it back in. So i'd imagine drifting an FC or anyother RWD car with street tired on even little dirt/gravel, if that was what helped you get the rear out what are the chances of swinging the rear end back around for a 2nd and then even 3rd "tight" curve?

or did i just miss understand and the dirt/gravel is just at the point in the turn where you have to swing out the rear and after that it's nice and clean??

Yours truely
-Frank
July 1st!
Happy Canada Day!!.... Occifer, Sir.. I swear to drunk i'm not god!

Hey Guys: I am in need of more power for my S5 and I think the most bang out of my buck is full exhaust which I already have and looking to get a Holley carb set up. I dynoed 147 at the wheels with just exhaust on a Dyno jet. (pretty sorry I know.) Can any one tell me if you know some one has done the same with Holley carb and exhaust and what was the Dynoed power or 1/4 mile trap speed. I saw a lot of discussion about "expected" or "around" fiures, I just would like to know exactly what to expect with Holley 650 CFM carb, Racin Beat manifold, header with single 2 1/2 inch center muffler out with HKS cat back. Oh on the drifting thing, I thing if you have loose or wet surface stock FC is great, but on dry surface it is under torqued. However if you do the turns coming in and drift through them slowing down it is difinitely possible to link 2-3 turns together, but if you run into a turn where you have to power out the apex at 40mph or so a stock FC just don't have the torque.

FCs stock come with a little nifty thing called DTSS. Basically its a type of rear steer where the rear tires toe in or out while you turn. (laymans terms) toe is kind of like the front wheels when you turn. the rear toe, the wheels turn in or out (albeit a very small degree)

because of this little feature, it makes it impossible to perform a real full counter, foot mashed on the gas drift...let alone link multiple drifts. DTSS has downed many an FC and causes a lot of instability. Usually causes snap oversteer and spinouts. Ebraking with 0 correction or letting the rear slide out by mashing the gas and letting it slide out and correcting by easing off is not drifting..thats justpower sliding.

btw, i am not an auto mechanic. Im a designer and a computer/network tech.

i dont have the gall to say I can drift. I know a thing or two...but the truth is, there are very very few amateur drivers that really know how to drift. Everyone in the US is still learning. None of the drivers who won the last drift events passed the D1 trials. The ones who passed it were professional racecar competition drivers. Even they cannot hold a candle to the japanese drivers. to justifiably say that I can drift, would be to say that I can do it any time, all the time. Im not pompous enough to make that kind of claim. Come out to one of the drifting events here in Cali since you've got all this money to burn and put your money where your mouth is. If you can link more than 2 turns drifting, then you can win one of these events since most people have trouble with that. I'm going to be participating in DD6 coming up in a few days...come out sometime.

big moneys can buy you the head of a neck! f00!

I would also like to know what mazdized is asking if anybody out there knows.... Black R1 omg your so technical, when i say i can drift i dont mean i can do it great everytime all the time; if you can run 15.5 in a stock civic si and have it on paper, and you can only do it again 1 out of 5 times, i think you can still say, " i can run 15.5 in a all stock civic si...... and i bet those japanese guys mess up once in a while too.... maybe i am powersliding i dont know, i didn't know it was so technical, but i dont ease off the gas at all in a fc i juss keep it down and straighten it out... in my fd, sometimes i ease off the gas a little , but come out of it with my gas down... and i really doubt there isnt a lot of people in the US that can drift 2 turns, i know for a fact i can, not everytime, but most of the time. my friend who got me into rx7's and drifting is very good, he's been drifting old cars in the snow since he was 15, but still a beginner on dry road, and with a powerful car, he's only had his fd 2 years and is very good at many multiple second gear drifts(or powerslides, whaterver). after riding with him and practicing so much myself, i truly think that some people, like my friend, are just born with a really good sense of balance in a car, i dont know if ill ever be as confident as him thru those turns..,, I really didnt mean to offend any1 when i said i can drift, i honestly cant beleive some1 would get so mad over a statement like that... people likje that are just angry people with no lives and nothing better to do... and i would check out that thing if i lived in cali, but im in MN, duh... bit of a hike for an event...

im sick of defending myself against haterZ and sh*t talkers.... if you dont have anything useful to say(about the topic of n/a power) then just STFU...i cant beleive how off topic this has gotten...

madboost stop crying, its the internet kid.

your right..i will never stop it.... f*ck it, say what you want