lightly modded S5 vs. stock Del Sol VTEC
 

so my friend swears up and down that his new car (he'll get it in two weeks) will wax the roads with mine. ive got a bonez intake, TB mod, Borla cat back with RB headers on the way (installed before he picks up his car). so overall what do you all think my chances would be?

Stock for stock would be a good race, advantage going to him alittle. Stock Del Sol VTEC runs a 15.8 1/4 mile, with your modifications you should take him down.

u will soo smoke him it wont even be funny. unless u chategorize urself as a bad driver.... but hey not many people admit it... lol jk ull get him good... tell him to put his money where his mouth is lol :)
just my opinion
jack

cool. yeah, i think his biggest advantage would be power to weight, but if its the same B16 that is in the civic si then he has like noooooo torque. just out of curiosity, what would a stock s5 run in the 1/4?

ok here's another.... what about a 96 neon with these mods...... 2.5inch cat back, hi flow muffler, CAI, upgrade to 52mmtb, 33%UDP, MP Pcm
he's claiming 140fwhp and low 15s. im not so sure about that..... let me know what you think

i'd say you'd whoop him. an fc's an fc, an its alot about driver, i raced a TII the other day and the guy took the advantage, im in my mildly modded na, but then he missed a gear and pussied out after 60,

I used to have a 4 banger mustang (my first car). I raced v8's who i would haul of the hole because of better timingonb the light, then they would sto and ask me :what do you got in that thing, i would just eack m y ss off.

I'd be wary of the b16 that could. Yeah it has 115 foot pounds of torque, but then again who's to stop him from launching from 6k, that's what I did when I had my 99si :) I think it will be a good race.

ya be wary of the b16's with itr cams and a good exhaust system ive seen b16 sols hit 14's and thats only 800 - 1000 dallors of mods .... for a 1.6 thats good imo...

To be honest, he'd be very lucky if he could drive his car in the 15s stock. You should be in the mid 15s I'd say with your mods. Shouldn't be too bad of a race, but if you shift at redline you should beat him fairly easily.

I've seen lots of LS delslow's put down damn fast 15 second runs... lol pathetic little honduhs go home!

I have friends with highly modded neon r/t's that refuse to race me. These are guy running mid 14's. You should stomp the crap out of those stock neon piles of shit. Come to think of it not many people will even line up with me anymore. :( Its lonely at the top of the food chain. :D

The header and TB mod will cost you bottom end torque. A buddy of mine would pull harder with his bone stock car when I had open 2.5" pipes off my RB header and the TB mod done. I'd hit 6K and stomp his ass. Now that I have the hybrid motor and a monster street porting its not even close at any rpm range. I'm looking forward to my pineapple sleeves and custom 80mm single bore TB with single chamber plenum.

BTW: I hit a 61.5% air flow reading the other day. The highest one I've ever heard of on an N/A. 62% is what the afm reads when held completely open and the engine is off.

He doesnt even have the car yet, he wont be pulling 15s stock. Try more like 16s :) He will bog the launch, or spin like a bitch.

I have had 65%, don't get so arrogant.

On the s-afc

my roomate used to have a 94 del sol vtec dohc, B16A
i-h-e

i used to race him in my 91n/a with intake, and N1 catback...

he'd beat me everytime...we are both good drivers...watch out!

youre talkin tghe neon or the del sol? i figured at redline i should be making good power. as for my headers how much would the s5 lose off bottom end? the guy at rotary performance told me i shouldnt lose too much becuse my 5th and 6th ports are actuated by solinoids, no need to worry about loss of back pressure.

if his is a brand new car..... race him that day..... if he runs it too hard it will blow, a guaranteed victory. U'll get him

I wouldnt count on that. Many drag and race teams, the first trip the motor gets is a hard run down the track. Subaru rally team does like 200m break ins.

I have a 1990 mazda Rx-7 (FC5S) with maraih cold air box , and corksport exhaust , auto tranny tho , if i time my shifts right can i smoke your avarage only mods alot of fiberglass and a pipe eclipse?

well iv heard many stories of cars going out the first day and blowing it. A brand new ford lightning, first day, straight from the dealership, blown, first run.... an expensive mistake if you ask me. might be harder to blow a smaller motor, less power... Perhaps..... good luck anyways

i smoke ALL!
 

well if you think about it delsol vtec only really gots 127hp? it's a SOHC! i don't think their that fast, you can prolly take him and pretty sure of that, unless he got the dual over head cam then that's pretty even..

I am talking about the Del Sol. My point was just not to shift too early, because I know of people with Rx7s that shift at like 5.5-6k.

Suds7, I was referring to normal driving with full power correction. (in my case thats a solid +4% across the board from 2500 up to 9K on the high side of the tps)

Want me to get arrogant and I'll mention the 9 (count them NINE!) times I've hit 100% under hard launch conditions. Pull your filter and open up that flapper door all the way and tell me what the s-afc reads. I'd be impressed if you can get it to 65% (seeing as both my runner and my parts afm's both maxed out at 62% while no air was flowing through them at the WO position. Show me a pic of the afc with a 0rpm reading and a 65% afm displayed. I bet you cant.

I'm sure my #'s will go up when I replace my fuel pump with one that can flow more than 8200rpms worth of fuel.

errr....try 160. The del sol vtec is the first time honda showed the U.S. the b16. That would be a DOHC engine, likes to rev sky high. Redlines at 8k.

Look I know this is an rx7 board, but some of the information I'm seeing is scary. Don't the s5 n/a's make 160hp? What's the torque...130 something? That's not to far off what the b16 is making in a lighter chassis. Go ahead and assume you're going to blow his doors off, but don't be surprised if he pulls you.

Don't under estimate the power of the NEON
 

I have a 95 DOHC 5-speed neon. With just intake, exhaust, and mopar pcm i ran 15.51. Neons may be girl cars, but they can wax up on some hondas.

I will admit that even though a mid 15 second run is pathetic, you would beat most of the fast & fagnostic looking cars around here. All the painted up riced out honduhs at the track here dial in for 16.0.

Its gonna be easy for me to amass a room full of trophies next year in all motor. :D

Ya I know. I know someone that did an engine swap in his CRX. He had a shop put in a ZC or ZE engine(not too sure which one, but its a jspec). Cost him like $3800 installed and now he runs like mid 17s, lol.

yeah ive made tht mistake before. lessons learned:doh:
the neon shouldnt be any compitition. as for the delsol its a dohc, supposedly the same engine thats in the Si. ive had a tough time beliving that one though. i dont know much about the B16 but i thought the type that the Si has didnt come out until 97, 98....... stop me if im wrong though

wow mid 17's huh? lol my buddy (very misguided buddy) did an LS swap into a crx and still only pulls 16.1 all day long. He spent 3500 on that motor swap. He's got 10K into that crx and I'll still spank the shit out of him. Even at retail, (I got some parts free for favors and such) I still have about 2K into my entire car including purchase price. Actuall cost so far is only $1600. :D not bad for a 13 second car....

ok, my question was answered. i never expected to blow his doors off, thats the thing thats got me thinking.... power to weight. but im thinking the set of headers im installing should give me the edge, plus i'll have more torque (140ftibs). but its still gonna be close i think.

But you have an auto... I doubt you have line locks so its not like you can get your revs where you want them for a good launch.

youcould always do a neutral drop, thats what my friend always used to do in his eclipse when I raced him, blew his tranny thiugh, but once @3-4k shouldn't do too much damage.

very wrong. Honda developed the first b16 way before 97. More like 91. The b16 is like GM's 350 or fords 302 in the Honda world. Well b series anything. Even though that's still pretty new as term of age, the aftermarket for the b series engine is huuuuuuuuuuuuuuge.

A ZC engine is a DOHC engine that is basically the predecesor to the b16. It is non vtec. Although a ZC in a crx should still pull 14's....I would just go with the 1st gen b16 for just a little more. 3800 dollars is umm....plain retarded. That's a lot, lot of money that company made from buying and installing a little ZC

no auto here.... just did the swap. thats not a real prob anymore.

got it. heh, didnt expect to get a history lesson on honda engines in a rotary forum. guess you really should know your enemy. didnt know the B series was that old.

dont you have an NA?

who wont line up with an NA? :D
we can beat preludes too.

The Del Sol VTEC won't be a "new" car with a new motor to blow, they stopped importing the things like 5 years ago. It will be a new car to his friend, but it's quite used.

As for the motor break-in stuff btw, I read a few places that some people swear the best way to break in a new motor is to beat the hell out of it (in a very scientific way of course) and it was backed up with some evedence. I wish I had the link.

Jimmy, you have never gotten 100%, I don't give a shit what the afm reads with engine turned off, and I don't have a flapper I have a plunger (s5), back in the day when I was still n/a i ran true duals on the n/a pump and it would rev past the fuel cut and this is after I leaned it out 15%. You have never gotten above 60% afm, and you won't rule the all motor class next year, honduh guys get crazy in the real deal drag racing. Your 15 second slow boat to hell is a shit box, fuck n/a's!

hahaha, daaaaaamn.
it must suck to be at the top of the food chain jimmy.
we can all beat CRX's and GSR's too, friend, and we dont have a massive streetport and a "pegged" reading from our AFM.

Jimmy you are delusional, the fastest n/a rx7 in the world is 14.1 check out rx7.com timeslips for the fastest rotarys in the world. My 300 horse turbo coupe runs 13's buddy, you aren't even CLOSE to 200 let alone 300. Biggest numbers I have EVER seen for an n/a were Pbnos13 or something who put down 163 at the wheels which is like 190, and this is with a streetport and more than what you did.


Get it through your head, n/a rots are SLOW you have a SLOWTARY! HAH!

i want to see some time slips for this thing.

i want to see you prove that you've broken into the 13's naturally aspirated.

you'll be at the top of the your little food chain when you prove that you have a 13 second NA.

Thats because it was a ford

The only NA rotary capable of putting out more than 200hp is the Peripheral port engine sold by mazdatrix(http://www.mazdatrix.com/r-20.htm, yes someone else could build a similar engine but that is the first example I thought of). that thing isnt even streetable. On a Na rotary even with just a peripheral port you will be hard pressed to surpass the 200hp mark, if you plan to retain fuel injection, and anything but an alternator and waterpump, and dont plan on driving on the street. The all motor class is dominated by 10 second cars, you should either reconsider or do some serious preparations to your car.

your friend is a goddamn moron if he has an LS motor in a CRX and runs a 16.1...... seriously he should be slapped for godsakes an LS teg is faster than that..... i would like to see your run a b20/vtec integra like my friends runs a 13.8 @ 101 i think not to sure i would have to check but hes runnin it all motor..... from my experience getting even a good street ported 4 port NA 1st gen into the low 14's w/o nitrous is perdy hard... jimmy i just think you swear your car is fast cuz you have yet to ride in another RX7.... shit i know my motor will smoke you and it gots 30 psi on the front and 90's on the rear.... and i know im not runnin no 13's cuz that teggie starts to whoop my ass after 60mph.... and ive whooped on many 2nd gen n/a rx7's there like warm ups for me... sorry but if you wanna be fast the worst choice is a second gen NA rx7.....

I really don't give a rats ass what all of you say. I should have access to a digital cam again here over christmas and I will be more than happy to take a pic of my s-afc reading 100%. I register 61.5% while driving normally and you are all fools to make such a big fuss over what I say because you will eat your words when I post my proof.

I'll line up against any of you turbo guys too... You don't scare me. Especially if you're not even breaking 12's. All motor classes around here don't have any 10 second cars in the import category. GSX's are not a problem off the line they get a little up on me but then when I hit second I take off from them. From 65mph I hit 100 before passing a regular 52' semi. I'm not full of shit, you just can't handle the idea of someone else doing what you can't do. Get over it!

lol sure ya can..... maybe when im breakin my motor in ill drive down there to minnasota juss to burn your ass post it up on here and drive home :)

aren't we all supposed to like rx...nevermind <sigh>

C'mon down.... I'm not going anywhere.

I've also been in several other rx-7's. I have 4 other friends who drive second gens. I have the fastest of all of them.

You people seem to think I say things to sound big and important on here or something. Thats the only rationalization for how visciously you attack those who claim to do things you don't think are possible. I'm not a stupid HS'er looking for someone to envy me. I'm a 27yr old ex-army helicopter techncian who's been spinning wrenches for the last 20 years.

I have a hybrid 6-port motor with port matched and heavily ported lower intake manifold, big street port, header, full 2.5" open exhaust, s-afc, halmeter af30, ported intake elbow, 3" cone filter, TB mod, nothing but an alternator and a water pump, (funny, someone mentioned I'd need that setup when I already have it) e-fan, no vacuum shit, and LSD from a gxl. Walbro 255lph high volume fuel pump will be installed shortly after christmas allowing me to make power above my 8200rpm fuel cut. My car also scales out at 2400lbs even (how I managed a nice round # like that is beyond me)

I also have 11 years of driving experience.

You should all take a step back and think about what you say regarding what I say. I will not back down because what I say is truth and I am willing to back it up. Please kindly remove your heads from your asses and get back to the matter at hand.

And, Yes my buddy with the LS crx is a fool. We all laugh at him. LS integs running 6psi of boost on street tires still only put down a 15.1 at brainerd intl raceway. (which is where I'll be running next season)

MAKE SURE YOU HAVE THE HEADERS INSTALLED WHEN YOU RACE.

.... then you will murderlize him :D

Dre, My car club is having a meet at jillians friday night. If you want to see the beast let me know in PM.

i think you're full of shit.

and i'm gonna think that until you prove that you have a 13 second NA. so far, all you've told us is your mod list and how much your car weighs.
not to mention you are "at the top of the food chain."
the bottom line is you're gonna need about 200 at the wheels to get your 2400 lb car through the quartermile in 13 seconds.
lets see a dyno chart and a time slip partner.