Ballin_is_a_Habit

well if you want to be picky it depends.

the first generation siennas where FF 3.0L 210hp V6 with 4 speed auto transmission

second gen (04 and up in case you were interested) are FF or 4-wheel and have a 3.5 L DOHC 24 valve Dual VVT-i V6 and have 5 speed automatic


also in case you were interested in my research; in the second gen the rear wiper will not pull out and remain out the way unless you remove the plastic cap covering the drive end of the pivot arm. A long running standard feature of Japanese vehicles, it allowed for easy washing and drying of the window. However, the feature is present on the front wipers where no poking hazard exists.


here why doesnt your sienna loving *** check out the following links

http://toyota.com/sienna
http://siennaclub.org/

k thanks

rx7racerca

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Will a 250hp Odyssey or 240 hp Sienna beat a 146-160 hp stock, na fc to 60, if not the quarter mile? Damn sure they will. So will a 3.8L Windstar - lots of torque, even if not a great one to wind out (ask me how I know - my Dad has one!). Road & Track tested the NA s4 vert at 9.7s to 60. Nowadays, most cars will beat that. An S5 vert tested at 9.1 - which the OP's s4 could potentially match with a RB exhaust. Still won't be fast, but less slow.

NCross

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I usually launch at about 3,000RPM. I feather the gas pedal down. Don't just WOMP the gas pedal. The air velocity is just too much for the intake to handle.

your car could have a number of small things wrong with it and it could cause a big difference in performance. A tune up is the best way to make a car "faster". At least it will bring it closer to the original power numbers.

-I took 140 pounds out
-full tune up
-cone filter with heat shield
-2 1/2 inch exhaust with MazdaSpeed cans
-AC belt removal
-lowered
-lightweight mesh wheels with grippier tires
-TB plate removal

I still need a new cat and new injectors/fuel pump and I'm whooping minivans and trucks no problem. Whooping 4 banger passenger cars no problem. Beat all of my friends 240s. Beat my wife's 2003 Mustang V6 AT. Beat some yellow mid 90s Integra, beat a Celica GT. Beat an early 90s Prelude.

It's not fast. I'd consider it somewhere between "zippy" and "quick". By no means slow. It's still quicker than a lot of new cars, but that's not fair. New cars have 200+ horsepower from the factory and 6 speed AT etc. NA RX-7s have 21 years of wear and tear and -21 of technology.

NoDrySkin

Oh, now you're just being ignorant. We were talking about acceleration weren't we? Yes we were. You're going towards the wrong direction. Now dig up some times and compare them with the N/A FC. Don't drive off the cliff this time.

"k thanks"

rx7-kid

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I usual try to launch in between 3500 and 4000 rpm... its usually a good rpm to launch for me considering how i launch.

RoninRX7

Nice thats good to hear, Oh and BTW, my car is an S5! Not that its too much better, but anyways. The guy with the integra can drive the hell out of that car, but Im not going to mod the car, due to having such low miles. The only thing ill really do is springs, flywheel, clutch, and pineapple sleeve inserts. It's really strange though how i have beat other 5 spd LS DC2's but couldnt seem to beat this one...I knew it was a B18B, but i accidentally tiped C, and my computer was out of battery so i couldnt edit my post since it shut off.

opeth13

Right now I drive a 1999 Acura Integra GS, NOT a GSR, the GS is a luxury version of the LS, same engine, B18B. I wouldn't doubt for a second it would beat a stock N/A rex. Its a quick car, I used to own a '93 MR2 NA, I thought it was fast, my friends '94 integ non-gsr integ was just as fast, I would say my '99 GSR is a bit quicker than my '93 integ I used to own. On a good day these cars would be running low 16's to maybe a 15.9 in the quarter.

The guy who was mentioning his sister has a 91 rs and she cant keep up with his rex, automatic integs are worthless as far as speed is concerned. My integ is torquey, people that ride in it that hate on hondas or FWD are always shocked and surprised or in denial. Integs weigh less than 2700 lbs, have a bit over 140hp, and close to that amount of torque. Here are some references to back up my claims:

http://www.team-integra.net/sections...p?ArticleID=43

and this:

http://www.team-integra.net/sections...?ArticleID=144

Funny part is, I'm getting rid of my 5 speed integ with its nice leather interior to get an auto NA '87 rex. I am going to enjoy driving a slow auto na over my stick teg that would smoke it. Am I going to care when a honda or a minivan pulls up next to me and I know it'll smoke me off the line? No, I'm going to be loving my rex.

EDIT: The guy with the Burger King sig, thats isht is hilarious!!

Rx7TyreBurna

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Her car isn't an automatic. Her car isn't an RS. Her car is an LS. Her car also doesn't have VTEC. Which most honda guys think is better then a turbo. LoL.

I have raced many Honda and Acura owners around here. Mostly old stuff, with huge wings, big fart cans, and a huge tach with a shift light.... They can't keep up.

There is one guy around here that has a Civic hatchback with a B18C5 motor in it..... I can't beat him.... The B18C5 is a beautiful motor. The B18C1 is an alright motor also, but the B18B is crap. Most kids with Integras around here are running the B18B motor. Maybe it is all their elite mods that are making them slower.... but I do know a good group of tuned civics around here, and a couple integras that are very fast.

You sound like the kind of kid that says VTEC is better then a turbo. LoL.... We have a lot of them around here. "I don't need a turbo, I have VTEC which is way better. More kick on VTEC when it kicks in then any turbo....". That coming from many of the Honda/Acura owners around here.

Off topic sorry OP. Yes, N/A FC3C is slow. S5 helps a bit, especially when you are above 5k. I know that when I first got my car, I would get stomped by everything, including a 92 Accord. I found out my front set of double throttle plates was stuck closed, even when warm. I fixed that.... Also, I found out my cat was clogged. Which also robbed me of power. So, I fixed that too. The guy I bought the car from originally had the aux. sleeves removed. I put those back in and gained some of my toque back.

Good luck on beating him OP. Also, don't waste your money on the sleeve inserts.... power gains aren't worth the cost. Get a full RB exhaust setup. Headers, pre-silencer, and the cat-back, duals if you want to be relatively quite.

FCHeman

everybody is talkin about tuning the engine and changin the differencial. i think thats important but i think u should also change your tires. u said u got treadwear rating of 680. my buddy's car wit tires treadwear rating at 620 cant grip ****, but they do last forever, so i recommand somehtin in the 350-450 rating range.

opeth13

Rx7TyreBurna, relax, you are being way too defensive. First of all, I'm far from being a kid. Second of all, in no way do I think my car is fast. I did not make any wild claims, and even some of the "bench racing" figures I wrote down I backed up with links to references, I don't know if you checked them out. I just assumed your sisters car was an automatic, sorry I made that assumption. No hard feelings, I'm looking at my prior post again and I honestly don't see why you'd turn hostile against me. The B18B motor is far from crap, its incredibly reliable and makes a good amount of torque. Its definitely not a high performance motor, but then again neither is the one in an N/A rex. The only appearance mods I've done to my Integ are 16x7 wheels to fit wider tires. Other mods which I've installed myself include Koni Yellow shocks, Ground Control sleeves with ERS 550lb springs all around, no front sway, upgraded rear sway, Skunk2 front upper a-arm, camber kit in rear as well, various chassis bracing. I'm just saying people often misjudge my car, and now you've misjudged me. Lighten up .

ericgrau

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The 0-60 on the S4 FC is about the same as the newest Sienna V6 5 speed automatic. Even after that poster probably found the fastest SUV (minivan, actually) that he could find.

The FC is a second better the base Integra, and slightly worse than the GSR.

Honestly, people, just look it up. It isn't that hard. None of this "feel" or horsepower or other B.S. People "feel" a lot of different things, and an 18-wheeler has over 300 horsepower.

I second the exhaust, etc. upgrades, btw.

Ballin_is_a_Habit

for the purpose of continuing a pointless argument and being horrbly off topic in this post:

ok if we where to drag race an 06 sienna with say an 89 rx-7 convertible

06 sienna with the limited AWD package has a 0-60 time of 8.3 seconds according to toyota... but i dont beileve it and i looked at consumer guide automotive they tested it at 8.7 seconds and apparently it has a 16.7 quartermile.

the 89 vert has a supposed 9.7 0 - 60 and a 17.5 quartermile ( i think those are reasonable numbers)

sooo yes on paper the sienna wins, but its still a shitty automatic transmission so i still claim a good driver will beat the sienna 9 times out of 10 in the 7

heres a funny sienna pic i found while wasting my time looking all the **** up

rx7racerca

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If minivan "x" can put down a 8.7 sec time with the lousy auto box, how is driver talent ever going to help the '89 vert make up a second (the R&T test I posted had a 9.1 60 time for an s5 vert, tho', bringing it down to a .4 deficit for the 7, assuming good condition/good tune, no mods)? The minivan takes next to no talent to drive - stand on the brake, stand on the gas, let go the brake - done. A manual transmission takes talent to launch and shift quickly, and even then is hard to get consistent results, and a slush box takes next to none, assuming the automatic vehicle is not so powerful it will light up the tires (definitely not a problem on the AWD minivan). And the lighter FWD version of the Sienna is probably a few 1/10s faster - putting it squarely in the range of 8.0-8.5s 60 times that NA S4's and S5's tested by professional drivers did new.

Terrh

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several modern vans come with nearly 300hp.

300HP van vs. 146 (or 160HP) fc vert...


I'd put my money on the van.

edit: also, I've personally beat up on an S5 N/A in a '91 AEROSTAR 4.0.

so, yeah.... turbo that ****, and eat him for breakfast.

the best launch technique on the street honestly seems to be the bog-n-go. But experiment. Try new things. Try dumping the clutch at 6000, try feathering it at 3500. You'll find the sweet spot eventually.

RETed

I've found that most FC non-turbo owners think their cars are faster than they really are...


-Ted

rotorhead_izzy

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well to get back on subject about launching... try slipping your clutch at about 4,000 rpm, thats where most na's have the best torque. i do it and i have great succes, and no na's are not the fastest cars out there, but its all about how you drive too. just my .02.

izzy

ProChemBroTCM

Yeah, a lot of people think their cars are "2 Wycked." Those new minivans keep getting faster and faster. The Nissan Quest seems to have some good kick, too. Once, in my Mazda3s, I was at a stop light and a Quest rolled up next to me. I try not race anymore, but that doesn't mean I don't like to accelerate at 7-8/10ths. This guy takes off like he's in a nitromethane funny car or something; I suppose I could have floored it and taken him/her, but I am lazy, and who wants to ruin the dreams of some minivan-driving tool who thinks he is fast?

KillaKitiie

Yep and that fact kill's any chance right there. Heavy+3.909 lsd=slow mobile!

And alot of people put the GSR head on the LS block becuase the LS block produces more TQ for the practicality.

Now if you get a coupe and gut it and ...well you know..lol

Houpty GT

I do about the same. Rev the car to just over 3,000 rpm let the clutch out fast and then stomp gas pedal down. the tires will bark just a little bit which is just what you want. I believe I read that anything more than 20% wheel spin is slowing you down. I do this with some Kumho Victoracers on the back so you may want to cut your initial revs down some for street tires.

88rxn/a

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im surprised a few of these people havent got warned!?

ProChemBroTCM

Warned about what?

lupin

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I believed that my s4 na was slower than most cars out there. Until I started racing a lot of cars.
When it comes to straight line races i beat a 2002 tsx, a 2003 civic hatch with hondata-skunk2cams-dcraceheader, and I walked a green 94 integra in the past. But none of these races were from a dead stop. My car is very light and I have done some heavy mods. Heavy mods also can mean heavy headaches.
Its funny how I still don't think that my car is fast at all in a straight line.

When it comes to handling so far out of all the cars I have raced no one has ever had the ***** to keep up with me on handling. Well except for another maniac like me with a fc (yeah you Armani). Just a few kills to name 02 Audi a4, 04 Bmw m3, 06 Altima, 05 chry 300, and many more mini vans and suv owners that think my car is a heap of junk.

Demonsniper1

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Old thread is old, plus what did word did you use in the search?

KidA

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HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA I have an NA RX& and my mom has a Toyota Sienna I **** that things day, and i just beat an integra wednesday...


get some new tires maybe or some bolt ons.. oh yeah and don't listen to that guy^

AmviciousRav

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I'm guessing you beat eveything thing with the sienna

cuz your not beating alot of things with that NA 160 hp isn't good enough or something...reason why I bought a turbo model...

I could beat my buddy's s5 N/A with my 96 auto camry haha but then again that camry was gifted...

I beat alot of things with that camry that made me smile but those days are over...now I'm going after v8's haha

oh yea my best launchs happen at around the 3.5~4.5k range...still haven't figured it out yet...

just rev it up, let the clutch out a little, then drop it and your off,

the other guy should be eating your dust/ smoke/ exhaust gases.