Mankdrake 2661

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In addition to that, should something go wrong during startup you won't be in the car to see your gauges and such.

sintri

My safety's been disabled, but I always park in neutral anyways, just on a side note, so far the majority of the mechanics I've been to will leave your car in drive, so it's still generally a good habit to either be constantly attentive or push in the clutch. It was helpful not needing to press the clutch that short time when my clutch was fuxored.

Jeff_Ciesielski

I apologize for my previous ( read : shitty ) post. I guess I'm just bitter about the old lady that ran over my foot when I was trying to unflood her SA :/ .

FCrocious

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I've always heard the reason for doing this was to put less stress on bearings in the transmission during start up?

Richter12x2

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It's neat that someone put that much thought into it, but if your transmission bearings won't handle the almost negligible load of starting the car with the tranny in neutral, then I'm sure it would be that much worse when you finally let the clutch out with the car in gear. :P

Just because, if you think about it, with the clutch in, the tranny doesn't spin. So if you start the car with the clutch in, then put the car in gear and drive off, then your transmission bearings would be going from 0 rpms to whatever your idle is as fast as you drop the clutch. If you start in neutral with the clutch out, then the starter will pre-spin the bearings at a speed something less than idle, then your engine picks up and runs it up to idle.

So if anything, it'd be better for the tranny bearings to start the car in neutral with the clutch out, but as they're designed to spin just fine at like 7,000 rpms and greater, I doubt it would make a lot of difference either way.

SpooledupRacing

my 86' will start without pushing in the clutch and I like it that way for when I work on my car HOWEVER I make sure my e-brake is FUNCTIONAL and is on at all times. (when sitting) this way if some knuckle head puts it in gear, then the car wont lung as bad.. but I make sure the car is out of gear before I start it up!

Dave

HAILERS

The 86 and a LOT of 87's don't have the Interlock Switch on the Clutch pedal. It's supposedly a safety device. I consider it a Sorry device much like the little ding, ding, ding sounds on newer cars that let you know your door is open. I KNOW the door is open. I opened it because I want the door open and I DO NOT want to remove the key to make the damned ding, ding go away.

Pooh on those who call you lazy for not wanting to push the clutch pedal in. Mindless twits all. Some of us like to work on our cars, as in the engine bay and then start the engine after making an alteration. WE do not want to have to get in the car to start it. WE want to reach in the window and start the car, then turn it off and maybe start it again. WE do NOT WANT TO HAVE TO GET IN THE CAR TO START IT EACH AND EVERY TIME.

Some of us are AWARE of what is going on around us. Situational awareness is what it's called. We know what WE are doing. WE do not start the engine with it in gear. WE have situational awareness and do NOT WANT TO HAVE TO SUFFER THROUGH LIFE BECAUSE DIMMY DIMMWIT RAN HIS DAMN SELF OR OTHERS over, because HE started the engine with the car in gear.

I'll write later and tell you what I REALLY think about the clutch interlock switches and other such devices. No time now.

My5ABaby

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"WE". Interesting use there. I think you're giving the general population too much credit for being intelligent.

sintri

actually the ding ding's somewhat helpful for me, I forget to turn off my headlights or take out my keys at times lol. Locked my keys in my car once, but luckily I was already home and was able to use the real keys lol.

Nothing wrong with using first person plural, hell nothing's wrong with using second or third person either

Twofer

Legitimate point. If you know what you're doing bypass the switch.

If you're doing it to be lazy, you suck at driving. Get an automatic, you don't have to press the clutch pedal at all.

jkimbro

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In reading through this thread, I'm thinkin'......I've had two '87 TII's, and neither had the "clutch safety switch" thing......until HAILERS post, I thought I was losing my mind.

chun

My 88 starts without the clutch. Maybe because it's mad JDM yo :p

zmax

My 51' chevy 6 window cab has no safety switch, my 68' international scout 80 rhd has no clutch safety, nor does my 79' F-250 4x4 have a clutch safety, needless to say, I will be jumping my clutch safety switch, SOON! It does help to know if your in gear or not though.

imloggedin

hope none of you have cruise control vroooom

SpeedOfLife

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unless you have to relearn how to drive stick every time you step in the car it shouldn't take any extra time to start the car. by the time I have my seatbelt on my foot is already on the clutch, the only reason MY car takes time to start is because it floods right now, NOT because it's a manual.

finishline

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it doesn't even take more than a second.
crap, barely realized this thread was from the dead.

HAILERS

The early second generation RX did not have the clutch interlock switch. Some did, not all.

prjct87rx7

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well actually when your cars fast enough its better to have an auto. cause in a 7-8 second car you cant even shift fast enough. lol

RotaMan99

I'm thinking of putting a auto start in my car some day. Just going to have it bypass the clutch switch and use the neutral safety switch to only allow it to start if its in neutral.

RotorBalls

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Neither of my FCs ever required depressing the clutch. 86/87 I thought all our cars did that guess I was wrong

HAILERS

I've one 87 non turbo that had the interlock switch and one 87 turbo that came without one. Several other people have let it be known that their early cars did not have that interlock switch. In fact on the non turbo I deliberitly jumpered the wires of the interlock switch so I can work on the car and start it from outside the car by just reaching into the interior to turn the key. I'm not big on interlock switches.........nor daytime running lights...........nor beepers going off to let me know the doors are not shut .........and on and on. Long list and so little time.

arghx

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ONLY if you don't have the key in the on position. If you start the car and put in the key in, it will NOT turn off. Trust me, I've got a friend who installs these things for a living. I've seen him do dozens.

Speaking of remote start... our cars are relatively easy to do apparently. They do not have chipped keys like modern cars, which require a special bypass module and sometimes a bunch of diodes and resistors. A G35 for example is a huge bitch to do a remote start on.

Our cars also have a neutral switch (which can be used for safety for a remote start), which pretty much doesn't exist on almost every other car with a manual tranny.

w0ppe

I love crayons!

pfsantos

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Just some points from various posts...

Good habit = Pressing the clutch every time you start the car and feeling with your hand to make sure you're in neutral. It'll avoid nasty surprises if your clutch hydraulics f*ck up or you forget you're in gear.

To all crying about working on the car and too lazy to get in and push in the clutch. Two words - Remote starter (the one you jumper power to the solenoid)

Remote keyless starter: Most will turn off the car if you step on the brake *without* turning the ignition on first. The car will stay running otherwise (i.e. get in, turn ign. on, drive away). Our trannies have a neutral switch, to the poster who was wondering about using that instead of the clutch switch. All remote starters that work with man. trans. cars have a wire to hook up to make sure the system will start the car only in neutral.

BTW, the *good* mechanics will leave the car in drive, as well as the parking brake on. Yes, parking brake with car in gear is better than just one of them.

Let me scroll up for a sec...

Oh, our car has the ding, ding, ding...thing for the door open ignition key in...assuming it's working....if that bothers some, remember, the car was designed for all types of drivers.

I wanted to say more...but whatever...

Have a nice day!

Eple

+1 i installed my remote start system on my previous car (an automatic Protege) just for *****. It was a cheapo system which only cost me $50 from Canadian tire (think of the home depot with an automotive section).

The car will only shut itself off if the key is not inthe ignition and turned to the "ON" position. Without this, the car will shut itself off if the brake pedal is moved at ANY time. As for the "not being able to see the car destroy itself during a poor auto start," that's covered as well. After wiring up the auto-start, you then teach the computer to read your tachometer, resulting in the autostart computer monitoring the engine during start-up. For example, if the car tries to start for over 60 seconds, but still couldn't start, it would stop the procedure and flash the control module light signaling that there was a problem during the remote start-up procedure.

I've never installed the system on a manual car, so i wouldn't know how to bypass the clutch switch; but here's a little heads up on some of the miss-conceptions about remote starters.