V8s_are_slow

just a few more questions.....

1.) what's the largest wheel that can be put on a turbo II? i'd like to go with an 18 inch wheel, and as wide as i can go in the rear. also, what's the bolt pattern?

2.) anyone know if there's a company that makes a 3 gauge pod pillar for these cars? if so, who?

3.) what's the max horsepower output a stock turbo can make? what are good turbo's for low e.t.'s (not caring about auto-x) and still be streetable? is the greddy kit good? 11's would be good...

4.) what parts are interchangeable (if any) from a 93+ car? example....intake manifold, etc.

5.) and lastly, if you look at the avatar's, i like the roadkill one (it's the red car with the headlights up if that helps) but are there any other pics of it (larger size) and any websites or anything to see that car? just curious.

anyway, trying to finish up my research i need for fixing up a 2nd gen. thanks for any info.
scott

turboIImadman

well to kinda answer your first question on my car i run 18s on my car no problem with some 225/35/18 size tires, and the great thing about it is that they are the same height as the stock rims and tires. as far as the bolt pattern goes i dont know it off the top of my head but if you go to a tire shop they will tell you.

V8s_are_slow

k thanks. i take it no one knows the answers to the other questions?

jacobcartmill

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5x114.3

FC Drifter

yes 18s fit. i dunno about a 3 pillar pod but autometer sells a 2 gauge pillar pod. you arent going to see 11s on a stock turbo. hell youd be lucky to see consistant 12s with the stocker. you want 11s? then you need a full T04 of some sort.i suggest a T04 60-1 and a big front mount, and lots of fuel and a stand alone ECU. 3rd gen intake will fit with some work. alternator too. there may be more but i dunno. and in all honesty the only thing really worth changing to me is the alternator. the intake manifold doesnt help that much. i dunno about the avatar question. hope that helps

V8s_are_slow

been looking for aftermarket turbo's but dang it, i haven't seen any horsepower figures that they support. just crap like,"gain instant horsepower." yeah, that's a lotta help when i'm trying to shop for a new turbo.

why would i change the alternator? the stock one crappy and go out a lot or something?

anyone know the cfm's at least on the stock turbo? something, anything!!!

anyone with info on the avatar?

dr0x

I think 19s or 20s are the biggest you can go. 1FASTT2 (or something like that) makes 3 gauge holders, but they dont sit on the pillar.Stock turbos dont have a 'max hp' because there are a ton of other things that influence power also. They generally start losing efficiency and wont last very long past 16psi. Basically anything, depends how much $$ and time you have Why not just post a pic so we can see what you are talking about? Or atleast a link. I am sure I (and prolly a few others) wont look for this reason.

dr0x

Thats because the power output changes as you change how much boost you are running. It also depends on a lot of other variables to say "you will gain this much hp!". Find others with a turbo setup you may want, and ask for a dyno plot. The stock one isnt crappy, its a better than a lot out there. Some people do the swap because the stock TII puts out like 80 amps. 3rd gen alts put out 100. When you start running more electrical crap you start running out of power, **** dims when you turn more on. Its annoying.

chris-reedtn

Horsepower increase do to other mods and motor condition! There are no facts on what each car will make exactly do to these factors, You can make 300+ on stock engine if its in good shape and thats with stock ecu and many other mods.

Your avatar is only custom after 100posts and what you do is right click on a picture save it, and then go to paint or something and modifiy it down to 100by100pixles. Then save it and go to edit profile and upload it to your profile.

You mod the alternator to get more amps s4 alternators are like 70amps and 3rd gen are like 100 you need top charging power to supply fuel pump voltage and things like that.

-Chris

FC Drifter

hp levels on a stock turbo arnet going to go much past 250 id guess. with a hybrid T04(stock hot side, big intake side) you can get into 300s. with a full TO4, like a TO4E or something you can see 400 hp. the stock FC alt makes 70amp, an FD alt makes 100 amps. when adding alot of voltage draining stuff like big stereo or electric fans and driving lights the FC alt cant keep up. the FD alt can keep a good charge.

V8s_are_slow

http://www.rx7club.com/forum/showthr...hreadid=140188

k there's just one thread that has the avatar in it. bansairx7 has it on this thread.

okay and as for the stock turbo, i'll rephrase my question then.....anyone know the lowest e.t's people have made with a stock turbo? surely there's at least some cfm ratings somewhere right?

FC Drifter

no cfm ratings that i know of. and i dont really think it would matter too much. 15psi of boost from a stock turbo isnt anywhere near as powerful as 15psi from a bigger more efficient turbo. but high 12s is the fastest ive heard of people going on stock turbos. pretty much nobody really keeps a stock turbo if they want to go really fast. pretty much the stock turbo sucks. the thing is just too ineficient. with a hybrid unit you can squeeze out a good bit of speed and its relatively cheap if you wanna go fast on a budget.

V8s_are_slow

k well i don't even have a clue as to what turbo would be good. they don't give any info. no cfm ratings, no horsepower ratings or ANYTHING!!! so kinda hard to shop around when they give out any info to compare with ya know?

as for the avatar, i'm not wanting to use it. i'm just hoping there's more pics of that car maybe. just wanting more cars to look at for possible paint jobs, wheels, and anything else i can get. but that car just looks nice in the pic. although it's just kinda hard to see cause it's so freakin small.

also, anyone think these rims would fit? it's the 1st rim...
www.wheelmax.com/Wheels/5zigen/5zigen.html

oh yeah, but i don't think anyone has said what's the "widest" i can go.....

chris-reedtn

Try and do a search for it, i know that there was a thread not to long ago about it, I think one guy ran 12's on stock turbo/ic and at something like 17pds as posted by RETed.

Why do you want big wheels anyways. They will not help your quarter mile performance one bit, and they will way more than say 16-17's which will also slow your car down alot, your takeoff speeds will be greatly reduced because of the wheel being so big.

You can change the upper intake of the FC to the FD but it does require a specific adapter plate and some other goodies sold by RE-A which you can get thru Inukai.

The Greddy turbo kit is Ok but you can do better making your own kit, with a variety of turbos, and parts out there it can be done for 2k, Just remember your also gonna need 500+for fuel mods, and you can get An intercooler these days (Greddy) For 900bucks. This is also an awesome ******* kit might i add.

-Chris

chris-reedtn

Let me also ask some questions From you sir:

What are your plans?
How much money do you have to spend?
Do you want a streetable car? 1/8thmile car? Or 1/4?

Speed costs money! how fast do you wanna go?

-Chris

FC Drifter

the way ive figured out which turbo id like to run is by talking to people and looking at times for cars to see which one they run. all cars in the 11s use some form of T04.

i do believe that wheel will fit. but im not sure, youll have to check the offsets. most likely it will fit. but damn 19s? damn thats big.

V8s_are_slow

well i'd like some wheels for AT LEAST around town, if not at the track.

www.lourdsmusic.com/bnrsupercars/turbo8788.htm
only website i've seen here with any kind of stats on turbos. i just remembered the site though (even though it's listed at the top of this page). anyone think these would be good turbos to use over the greddy kits, etc.?

okay i'm about to buy my car and going to school next month for 6 months where i'll be able to save about $10k for mods if that helps any (military school for my job and i'll have no bills while i'm out there). using it for 1/4 mile. i'm giving up my 600+ horsepower eclipse project to get me an RX. would like to get as fast as i can get while still being able to keep it on the street. hope that info helps.....
scott

i'd sure use the search button.....if i could.

FC Drifter

around $1500 for T04 turbo, manifold and wastegate.
like $900 for greddy front mount IC
standalone ECU will be about $1300
as previously stated you will need $500 for fuel mods like injectors and pump and stuff.
and whatever drag slicks cost.

thats pretty much what you need to see high 11s. with the right tuning its very possible. its not quite like a DSM, but it works. in this state the car will be pretty streetable. it can still have A/C a radio and all that good stuff. i think the mos youll be able to get out of the car before you cant drive it on the street anymore is deep 10s(guessing).

chris-reedtn

These are hybrid stock turbos, They do have limits on hp. WIth a bigger turbo you will get more power, faster times, but maybe at the cost of some lag. Depending on what turbo you choose, Hp freaks.com has a large list of turbos as well as turbonetics.com

As above the to4 60-1 or 62-1 would be a great turbo for the quarter on the stock motor. But for 10k you could get a big turbo and big streetported motor and many other goodies and make hella power.

600+hp eclipes, HHHmmm ive seen alot of highly moded eclipses and i havent yet seen one in that range. Good luck with that.

Sorry about the searh button thing i forgot.

-Chris

V8s_are_slow

okay, i already have a 255 lph fuel pump (from my dsm) so there's a bit of money saved. plan on getting a greddy frount mount, pulley's, full exhaust (apexi N1 duals and all the way up to the turbo), injectors, etc. etc. but i ALSO don't know what is a good ecu that i can use with a laptop for a 2nd gen if any. i had posted on that one before but never did get an answer on it. trying to do my research but there's not as many places to find this info as there are for dsm's. but thanks for all the input.
scott

jacobcartmill

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haltech

V8s_are_slow

okay, just for those of you who are curious, i gave up my plans on my dsm because of the huge price difference in mods. here's the mod list i had in mind although some of the parts i had already bought i've already sold. only part i have left now is my turbo. still have my walbro 255 lph pump though which i plan on using for the rx.

L3R turbo $1690 (huge ball bearing turbo) www.agpturbo.com
tial 40mm wastegate $375 www.agpturbo.com
stroker motor $7k from ffwdconnection.com (with 2mm oversized valves and major head porting)
264/272 hks cams $600 www.roadraceengineering.com
aluminum pulley set $269 www.machv.com
8 pound fidanza flywheel $400 www.turbotrix.com
equal length turbo header $500 www.dnperformance.com
720cc injectors (i think ya'll get the idea on pricing)
act 2900 pressure plate and street disk
atr 3 inch turbo back exhaust
sx fpr
dsmlink (ecu) www.dsmlink.com
etc. etc. etc. the list goes on.

but anyway, that's just some of the list i had for an all-wheel drive eclipse. and the cost greatly outweigh the rx's mod list for what i had in mind. so i decided to go with an rx to save a bit of money and possibly go a bit slower, but think i could still have a nice car for probably more than half the cost. just having a hard time trying to find all the info though is all. pics of my turbo are on this guy's website although i took the pics and it's my turbo.... www.andrewwarren.com/images/l3r
hope this gives ya'll an idea of everything i had in mind though.

FC Drifter

yeah, Haltech E6K is arguably the best fully programable ECU on the market. ive head good things about a system called FAST DFI, but its a tad more expensive. you might want to try posting in the ECU section of the forum and they might be able to help you out in there.

dr0x

I believe the lowest (in a non stripped car) was in the mid 12s.They should fit. Personally Id get something nice for the street, then stock rims w/ et drags on them (or something)

I didnt read your last post that well, I thought that was your mod list for the 7 lol

Evil Aviator

http://fc3s-pro.com/sitemap.html

The new Haltech E11 is much better than the E6K. Most people consider the Motec 800 to be the top of the line in EMS units, while the Haltech products are considered more of the mid-grade level like the Wolf and Microtech products. However, the E6K is a good value, and has proven to work well with the rotary engine.
http://www.haltech.com.au/Products/ECUs/ecus.html

The FAST EMS doesn't look all that great IMO, and it is obviously made for US domestic engines.
http://www.fuelairspark.com/