FCs - The Good, The Bad, The Ugly
 

okay well the pros of the car far outweigh the cons (if any), but you know.. i wanted to know..

86 13b N/A, 5spd

im sure you guys have enough experience with these cars to know what really kicks ass, and which parts are prone to failure ahead of schedule..

can anyone fill me in?

just wondering what to look out for with the new car

any input is greatly appreciated

Good - Smothest running, loudest motha, fire breathin, scare the crap outa yo gramma, cheapest, could be fastest, car you can get yo hands on.

Bad - If you don't know how to handle a car, being a general dumb ass, can't spell, or just have been beaten with the tard bar a bit too much can lead to a headace in a minute. Also very tepermental in themselves.

Ugly - When you blow one up and you throw half the apex out through the exaust pipe through the welds and through the idiot civic's radiator who thought he could race yo rotary ass...........oh and the other half going and makeing a bit of a dent in the housing. Nasty stuff that can be but you won still cause you were ahead when you both started cruising. ;)

the bad....
NA`s are incredibly slow.. unfortunatly, not much u can do to get much better than a 14sec pass.
You could chuk 5k at the mota, and itl still be slow..

The good - incredibly sexy, handle well, stop well.


Electrics are usually a biatch!!

these cars rock, however,

if you are not comfortable mechanically then i suggest becoming so or at least locating some friends that are or find an honest and rotary qualified shop close.

Get as much information as you can ahead of time BEFORE you start having probs. that way ya won't be too worried about em when they happen.

get the FSM (Factory Service Manual) for you year. www.fc3s.org

maintain the car just a bit more carefully than ya would other cars and it should treat you nice.

Lots can be upgraded with these things and can be made to scream, as long as you keep a watchful eye, ear, and nose open for problem s.

Have fun, and enjoy the ride:)

i had the same car..an 86 na 5 speed...it was a rock for me for years. the eventual end at 100,000 plus miles was me neglecting to understand why my coolant light was always going off. if you are always adding coolant...you need to get it checked out thouroughly if not resolved completely it will kill your motor!! that and the clutch were my only probs..and some misc electrical probs/shorts but those are easy fixes.

incredibly slow? Well, me being an N/A guy i gotta object. yes they are not the fastest cars on the road.

But you can beat the majority of the other n/a cars out there

Probes, Mx-6's, Mustangs, civics....now i'd call incredibly slow a Hatch back civic..

mini van, garbage truck. Not an Rx-7

Im gonna have to agree with the incredibly slow thing on this one.

Stock for stock...MX6, Mustangs, Probe GTs, all faster through the 1/4 than the '86 NA in question.

As for your slow civic hatch...in the 80's...VERY slow...but from '92 on, every bit as fast as a stock NA RX7....In a straight line anyway.

Considering RX7`s are sprts cars and the others u mentioned are not..

for the record - I have beaten a NA 7 in my 1975 galant..

dont get me wrong, my life is dedicated to rotors,

Their stupidly slow for the capabilies they have in the handling department.

my 90' gxl doesnt seem to slow, arnt the S5 N/As faster then the S4's?, im classed with the new Celica GTS's where i race... Could be a lot faster though, im saving up for the 13b RE though :) and going to do the whole turbo conversion.

ya incredible slow for the money check the sig, that includes the car

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Did you want the pros and cons of that 86 NA vs. other models, or just for the S4 2Gen RX-7 in general?

Here is a buyer's guide for a 2Gen RX-7:
http://www.aaroncake.net/RX-7/buy1.htm

Ah yes, spoken like a true drag racer with tunnel vision. For those who know how to drive, the NA RX-7 is an excellent car, is quite capable of winning the fastest time of the day out of ALL cars (Corvettes, Formula V's, Vipers, you name it) at an autocross event, and has won many GT racing events throughout the years. Also note that Improved Touring, SCCA Production, Formula Mazda, and Spec 7 race cars all use NA engines, and the LeMans-winning 787B also had an NA engine. So much for being slow. :rolleyes:

you should be ass reamed by big bubba and then have a train run on you by all his bitches..\


choo choo

bullshit gut the car, cut out the door panals, remove everything not needed to run, take out the bumper supports, bridgeport, or pp and you would run low 12s, put a 4 link and a solid rear in it, slipper clutch and here comes the 10s

thanks for all the info

thanks evil aviator, that was exactly what i was looking for.

personally i dont find the n/a 13bs stock to be slow at all!

You've never been in a well modded TII then!

BOOST owns you!

It must be great to live in yuor world where NA 2nd gens are running 10's with a port job and a clutch! But here in the real world...that ain't happenin'. You dont see many NA's break out of the 14's...

your car is not an NA.

oh i wont contest that at all!!

look at what i drive though.. 91 cavalier.. 92hp automatic pushrod 4cyl = gay/slow

the n/a's i find are quite quick, but i know the tIIs are way faster..

this n/a is going to be my daily driver, if at a later date (year or more) i come across a 2nd gen tII in nice shape, chances are ill pick it up.. ;)

Man theirs some amauters on this forum..

if ANY 2nd gen NA can get into the 11s, i will shov my cock in my mouth and drink my piss - and webcam it so everyone can see.

Iv had an NA before - ported, microtech, custom plenum, KN, clutch etc, and did a high 14.
No matter how much u gut, port a s4 itl NEVER get into the 11s.. EVER
sheesh -
a P-ported RX4, Duel stage nitrous, FULLY tubbed, ford 9', fully tubbed can only cut 11s, 10s soon tho..

Go for a drive in a modded T2, and you`l realises that the money youve wasted on your NA, coulave been spent on a T2..

Trust me, iv been there and done that.

My current car is a 300kw + t2.

If i owned a NA it would be for daily driving only..
then, theyd make a awsome car. but unfortunatly, their not a performance car.

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Id like to see someone run a full PP race port on their street car, come on! a good PP engine is going to run you huge cash. It would be cheaper and more drivable to get a turbo at that point. and how can you even compair the 787B engine with our engine? Just becaues that engine is N/A doesnt really mean anything to us.
I still havent gotten close to the fastest vett at my autocross... Saying a FC could take a C5 is true.. but your going to have to do a lot of moding, so i guess thats not to fair, since if you did the same things to the vett, the vett would be faster... I could say 'a pinto is quite capable of winning the fastest time of the day out of ALL cars'... just give me $100,000 and ill make it happen.

I think thats a little extreme saying that an N/A 7 is not a performance car... So i guess you are saying that the engine is the decideing factor on what make a performance car... Are you sure handeling, weight distribution, braking performance and so on dont make a performance car? well, maybe not if all you do is drag race. But i think the SCCA here has a spec rx-7 class, and thats all N/A.
if all you want is 'all motor' let me send you an engine from a 1976' Cadillac fleetwood brougham. at 8.1liters its the biggest production V8 ever put in a car, and with a little porting i hear they can make over 800hp N/A, with stock heads, its also the lightest iron bigblock, weighing less then famed 454... Thats got to be a performance car...

oh, BTW, these engines run about $100... and the cars a few bucks more.

that would be kinda gross and we don't need to see that, especially since recently the two fastest all motor cars at woodborn, oregon were both rx7's running a 10.2, and 10.8, respectively. you can keep your webcam, i don't wanna see that. of course those were race cars, and they were fb's, but those are just minor details. i do agree on the TII thing though, much much much more potential. :bigthumb:

jeez guys stop the flaming where is the love really where is it?? come on lets just all agree that ANY RX-7 is better than a stupid slow rice car that some dumb kid thinks is fast. a riced car us usally slower than stock lets fight them not ourselfs.
-nate

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shoot, you don't need $100,000, I saw an auction a couple weeks ago for a jet engine that someone put on a MRII that sold for $9700, heh

maybe if you knew what a slipper clutch is you would realise its not just a clucth but rather a system that lets you leave underpower without spinning the wheels off teh car. fully gutted car around 2200 lbs. bridgeport around 300HP, a solid rear and a 4 link you would cut 60' around 1.3 i know domestic cars with 350 hp running 9s its all in the suspension.

im not saying that its a good idea but it can be done