FCs - The Good, The Bad, The Ugly
 

okay well the pros of the car far outweigh the cons (if any), but you know.. i wanted to know..

86 13b N/A, 5spd

im sure you guys have enough experience with these cars to know what really kicks ass, and which parts are prone to failure ahead of schedule..

can anyone fill me in?

just wondering what to look out for with the new car

any input is greatly appreciated

Good - Smothest running, loudest motha, fire breathin, scare the crap outa yo gramma, cheapest, could be fastest, car you can get yo hands on.

Bad - If you don't know how to handle a car, being a general dumb ass, can't spell, or just have been beaten with the tard bar a bit too much can lead to a headace in a minute. Also very tepermental in themselves.

Ugly - When you blow one up and you throw half the apex out through the exaust pipe through the welds and through the idiot civic's radiator who thought he could race yo rotary ass...........oh and the other half going and makeing a bit of a dent in the housing. Nasty stuff that can be but you won still cause you were ahead when you both started cruising. ;)

the bad....
NA`s are incredibly slow.. unfortunatly, not much u can do to get much better than a 14sec pass.
You could chuk 5k at the mota, and itl still be slow..

The good - incredibly sexy, handle well, stop well.


Electrics are usually a biatch!!

these cars rock, however,

if you are not comfortable mechanically then i suggest becoming so or at least locating some friends that are or find an honest and rotary qualified shop close.

Get as much information as you can ahead of time BEFORE you start having probs. that way ya won't be too worried about em when they happen.

get the FSM (Factory Service Manual) for you year. www.fc3s.org

maintain the car just a bit more carefully than ya would other cars and it should treat you nice.

Lots can be upgraded with these things and can be made to scream, as long as you keep a watchful eye, ear, and nose open for problem s.

Have fun, and enjoy the ride:)

i had the same car..an 86 na 5 speed...it was a rock for me for years. the eventual end at 100,000 plus miles was me neglecting to understand why my coolant light was always going off. if you are always adding coolant...you need to get it checked out thouroughly if not resolved completely it will kill your motor!! that and the clutch were my only probs..and some misc electrical probs/shorts but those are easy fixes.

incredibly slow? Well, me being an N/A guy i gotta object. yes they are not the fastest cars on the road.

But you can beat the majority of the other n/a cars out there

Probes, Mx-6's, Mustangs, civics....now i'd call incredibly slow a Hatch back civic..

mini van, garbage truck. Not an Rx-7

Im gonna have to agree with the incredibly slow thing on this one.

Stock for stock...MX6, Mustangs, Probe GTs, all faster through the 1/4 than the '86 NA in question.

As for your slow civic hatch...in the 80's...VERY slow...but from '92 on, every bit as fast as a stock NA RX7....In a straight line anyway.

Considering RX7`s are sprts cars and the others u mentioned are not..

for the record - I have beaten a NA 7 in my 1975 galant..

dont get me wrong, my life is dedicated to rotors,

Their stupidly slow for the capabilies they have in the handling department.

my 90' gxl doesnt seem to slow, arnt the S5 N/As faster then the S4's?, im classed with the new Celica GTS's where i race... Could be a lot faster though, im saving up for the 13b RE though :) and going to do the whole turbo conversion.

ya incredible slow for the money check the sig, that includes the car

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Did you want the pros and cons of that 86 NA vs. other models, or just for the S4 2Gen RX-7 in general?

Here is a buyer's guide for a 2Gen RX-7:
http://www.aaroncake.net/RX-7/buy1.htm

Ah yes, spoken like a true drag racer with tunnel vision. For those who know how to drive, the NA RX-7 is an excellent car, is quite capable of winning the fastest time of the day out of ALL cars (Corvettes, Formula V's, Vipers, you name it) at an autocross event, and has won many GT racing events throughout the years. Also note that Improved Touring, SCCA Production, Formula Mazda, and Spec 7 race cars all use NA engines, and the LeMans-winning 787B also had an NA engine. So much for being slow. :rolleyes:

you should be ass reamed by big bubba and then have a train run on you by all his bitches..\


choo choo

bullshit gut the car, cut out the door panals, remove everything not needed to run, take out the bumper supports, bridgeport, or pp and you would run low 12s, put a 4 link and a solid rear in it, slipper clutch and here comes the 10s

thanks for all the info

thanks evil aviator, that was exactly what i was looking for.

personally i dont find the n/a 13bs stock to be slow at all!

You've never been in a well modded TII then!

BOOST owns you!

It must be great to live in yuor world where NA 2nd gens are running 10's with a port job and a clutch! But here in the real world...that ain't happenin'. You dont see many NA's break out of the 14's...

your car is not an NA.

oh i wont contest that at all!!

look at what i drive though.. 91 cavalier.. 92hp automatic pushrod 4cyl = gay/slow

the n/a's i find are quite quick, but i know the tIIs are way faster..

this n/a is going to be my daily driver, if at a later date (year or more) i come across a 2nd gen tII in nice shape, chances are ill pick it up.. ;)

Man theirs some amauters on this forum..

if ANY 2nd gen NA can get into the 11s, i will shov my cock in my mouth and drink my piss - and webcam it so everyone can see.

Iv had an NA before - ported, microtech, custom plenum, KN, clutch etc, and did a high 14.
No matter how much u gut, port a s4 itl NEVER get into the 11s.. EVER
sheesh -
a P-ported RX4, Duel stage nitrous, FULLY tubbed, ford 9', fully tubbed can only cut 11s, 10s soon tho..

Go for a drive in a modded T2, and you`l realises that the money youve wasted on your NA, coulave been spent on a T2..

Trust me, iv been there and done that.

My current car is a 300kw + t2.

If i owned a NA it would be for daily driving only..
then, theyd make a awsome car. but unfortunatly, their not a performance car.

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Id like to see someone run a full PP race port on their street car, come on! a good PP engine is going to run you huge cash. It would be cheaper and more drivable to get a turbo at that point. and how can you even compair the 787B engine with our engine? Just becaues that engine is N/A doesnt really mean anything to us.
I still havent gotten close to the fastest vett at my autocross... Saying a FC could take a C5 is true.. but your going to have to do a lot of moding, so i guess thats not to fair, since if you did the same things to the vett, the vett would be faster... I could say 'a pinto is quite capable of winning the fastest time of the day out of ALL cars'... just give me $100,000 and ill make it happen.

I think thats a little extreme saying that an N/A 7 is not a performance car... So i guess you are saying that the engine is the decideing factor on what make a performance car... Are you sure handeling, weight distribution, braking performance and so on dont make a performance car? well, maybe not if all you do is drag race. But i think the SCCA here has a spec rx-7 class, and thats all N/A.
if all you want is 'all motor' let me send you an engine from a 1976' Cadillac fleetwood brougham. at 8.1liters its the biggest production V8 ever put in a car, and with a little porting i hear they can make over 800hp N/A, with stock heads, its also the lightest iron bigblock, weighing less then famed 454... Thats got to be a performance car...

oh, BTW, these engines run about $100... and the cars a few bucks more.

that would be kinda gross and we don't need to see that, especially since recently the two fastest all motor cars at woodborn, oregon were both rx7's running a 10.2, and 10.8, respectively. you can keep your webcam, i don't wanna see that. of course those were race cars, and they were fb's, but those are just minor details. i do agree on the TII thing though, much much much more potential. :bigthumb:

jeez guys stop the flaming where is the love really where is it?? come on lets just all agree that ANY RX-7 is better than a stupid slow rice car that some dumb kid thinks is fast. a riced car us usally slower than stock lets fight them not ourselfs.
-nate

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shoot, you don't need $100,000, I saw an auction a couple weeks ago for a jet engine that someone put on a MRII that sold for $9700, heh

maybe if you knew what a slipper clutch is you would realise its not just a clucth but rather a system that lets you leave underpower without spinning the wheels off teh car. fully gutted car around 2200 lbs. bridgeport around 300HP, a solid rear and a 4 link you would cut 60' around 1.3 i know domestic cars with 350 hp running 9s its all in the suspension.

im not saying that its a good idea but it can be done

Aight,

Most cars can't handle strait line racing, the rx-7 being the best of them all. Meaning lots of stopped launches equal faster mushing of one's tranny. Other cars can handle it better however, most street cars can't. These cars, to the contrary are corner killers. I walk all over turbo rx-7's with my N/a cause the turbo just gives you a mentality that you are faster than an N/a. It is proven that a N/a enters and moves through a corner faster than a Turbo. This is equaled by less breaking, less weight, less worries. However, the turbo equals better accel out of a corner. Furthermore, tell me on a Road course = lots of corners and few LONG straitaways do you ever hit the full potential of your turbo? Never. N/A's are great for road racing and auto x. You wanna mash gears get a turbo and since you can't drive go drag like the rest of the afully intelectily advanced people ;)

:rofl:

gefunk right thats why all the f1 cars were turbo becuase n/a cars are faster. why are they n/a now, cause they were getting dangerously fast

let me rephrase what i was saying earlier, n/a street car slow, n/a race cars can get damn fast, n/a rotories are kicking ass in all motor classes in different import ciruits many 1st gen cars are running 10s

let me rephrase what i was saying earlier, n/a street car slow, n/a race cars can get damn fast, n/a rotories are kicking ass in all motor classes in different import ciruits many 1st gen cars are running 10s

Yo,


Ask the drivers of the:

Integra GSR
Nissan 300ZX (NA)
Toyota Celica GT-S
Toyota MR2 Spyder
VW VR6 GTI
VW 1.8T GTI

That I passed at Thunderhill Raceway thought I was "incredibly slow" in my NA RX-7.

https://www.rx7club.com/forum/showth...hreadid=104171

Can they beat me at the strip? Sure! Can they beat me on a track, or in the hills? Hell no!

I'll take handling over straightline performance any day.

Kevin
1989 GTUs "Real skill is when you have to turn the wheel..."

Just a comment for the fool(s) who said that the N/A was incredibly slow. What the hell are you thinking, for a 5 grand car (canadian dollar) you're getting one of the fastest N/A rides I can think of. My N/A with only a few minor mods, (exhaust) can hang with 5.0's, camaro's, firebirds and blow those pathetic Civic's and Probes right outa the water. Ya, it might be slow in comparrison to the FD or a higher end 20 grand plus car but for your dollar, your getting a very quick car that looks pretty damn sexy 2!

Well bully for you..you can hang with a stock Mustang...whooptie-fuckin-doo.

Don't get me wrong here, I love the handling and styling of all FC's, but the straight line performance just isn't there in the NA cars. Like it or not, straight line acceleration is a big part of performance.

Yo,


Nick, I bet you my car is faster than yours in a straight line!!

*wink*

Kevin
1989 GTUs "Bwahaha!"

your just saying that cause your car is slow

ya 5 grand to hang with stock mustangs, 3600 bucks and im hanging with ls1 vettes on the freeway my high et for my trap speed is only becuase my car would bog after the 60' when the tires would hook up

DAMN YOU!!!

*waving fist*



:D

Yo,

Nick, you know I'm just playing. So finish up your rebuild and get some better fuel maps!

For that sbertolone guy, yeah, you're right. I only say that because pressing down on the gas pedal and shifting is FAR more skill intensive than oh...autocrossing...or driving fast on a mountain road.

*cough* Yeah, you're right.

Kevin
1989 GTUs "Saw a 4Runner that would eat you at the strip...it must be better than your TII."

man, this thread just turned into a "my cock is bigger than yours" contest. relative to a TII, an n/a is slower and harder to get power out of, but so what. that gives you extra money to spend on other mods. maybe someone doesn't want the lag of a turbo and would rather have the immediate power of a n/a. the point is, this battle over n/a and turbo goes all the way to the audi and panoz prototype cars. although audi often wins, the turbo is not the only reason.do what you want. on a track, both can be lethal given the right driver.

:rofl::rofl:

:rofl::rofl:

but is it as reliable??

:rofl::rofl:

just cause my car has a turbo on it, and i like drag racing i obvisouly must not know how to turn the wheel, ya cause my suspension and tires really help me launch, cause you know racing on mountain roads with some one else that has a car that could keep up happens so often. autocrossing sounds fun but i've never done it.

there's nothing like it. you should try. come on, everyone's doing it.

all the auto cross events had finished here in MI when i had gotten my car

Yo,


Nick, it's a TRD supercharger so it must be reliable! *grin* That comment wasn't directed at you, but at Mr. 13.672.

The reason I said it is because of the myopic 1/4 mile vision that a lot of people have here.

I saw a TRD supercharged 4Runner pull a 12.8 1/4 mile time. If I use the "1/4 mile is king" world view, unless your TII can do better than 12.8, that 4Runner is "better" than your car. Does that make sense? It doesn't to me.

That's my point. So what if the 4Runner does a 12.8 pass? Can it handle the twisties? Can it brake, can it autocross?

That 4Runner will /never/ be "better" than any RX-7 in my mind, because it can't handle. I put more importance on a sportscar's handling, than it's straightline ability. Call me crazy!

Kevin
1989 GTUs "And the 4Runner was an automatic as well..."

Damn I missed another Turbo vs. NA war!

Who won this time?

hmmm... this picture is somewhat fitting, and I didn't feel like starting a new thread, so...

http://www.ex-ssi.com/temp/TFATF_800.jpg

have fun! "Smoke 'em!"

Yo,


It's not the turbo vs. NA thing, I never brought that up....oh wait...I kind of razzed Nick about his car not moving. But that's beside the point, we always tease each other.

I think it's the drag vs. handling war, which settles into the Turbo vs. NA war since (it seems) most turbo guys are into the quickness, while the NA guys are into the twisties.

It really boils down the assinine statement that NA RX-7's are "incredibly slow". Most people took offense to that. Including myself. *grin*

Kevin
1989 GTUs "Can't we all just get along?"

hahaha
the funny thing is.. the NA guys are saying that their car can handle..

the beauty of T2`s is that they do both.. fast and handle...

that to me makes it a sports car - rather than a sheep in wolf`s clothing..

sorry to hear that, sbertolone. it will probably be a while until you see an autocross seeing as you're in michigan and it's that time of year. it's not so much the racing that's fun, but the people there are awesome; always willing to help and give tips.