yo kleach

lockers do exactly what they sound like they do. they lock. all of the wheels will be turning the same amount. that is for off road use. having locked differentials will seriously impare your road driving as your car will fight turning and handle like crap. an lsd will "lock" to give torque to the wheel that is grabbing to push the car when a wheel is slipping (and therefore only when you need them locked, thus limited slip), but it will still let you do things like turn your car

 

Ok thanks for clearing that up

kleach

 

does power steering help or not help and what about 15, 16, 17 inch rims?

 

Get 15 inch wheels, the lighter the better. Big wheels=Big weight and Big weight=Don't spin good.
Powersteering is less tiring but you can't "feel" the road.

 

the typical drift set up is tight and sticky up front, loose and sliipery in the back.


springs in back should be softer blah blah

"should" is used sparingly.

no one can really tell u a good drift set up for u, because ... who knows how u drive?

everyone i know that drifts has very diffrent set ups.

some factors are.. power/driver confidence/rims/weight/nachos.


just use stock first. then add little by little, so u knwo what each thing does.



ps. why the hell would u want positive camber in the back? thats a big risk of flipping over!

 

I assume you're talking to me, since I'm the only one who mentioned this.

I'd like to know how you flip your car over due to positive camber in back...

Positive camber just minimizes tire contact patch under cornering.&nbsp It goes with the trend to get the back end to slip as much as possible.



-Ted

 

I don't think you need to go that far for a RX-7 to slip its tires but maybe its just me. You may need to do that for a stock wheezing AE86 though. You would need positive camber all around to increase flipping risks.

 

front tires / \


back tires \ /

??

i dunno.. i personally wouldnt run positive camber.
but then again i suck at drift, so what do i kno!?

 

hehe..

a little off topic but..
.. we have this joke w/corollas..


"if it doesnt leak something, its not a corolla!!!"


i love ae86's.

i really wanted one! but i have my fc (which is a pain in the *** right now, but i still love) that will HOPEFULLY BE RUNNING SOON.

 

If you ever can get your hands on some serious drift videos, some of the go over their set-ups.&nbsp Some of the cars, you can visual distinguish the postive camber in back.&nbsp They are running a National Drift Competition in Japan called "D1" (I think), and it has some serious driver in there - I think those videos also go into drift set-up.

I've got two drift movies here:
http://n-xsi.com/MOVIES/Koguchi.mpeg
http://n-xsi.com/MOVIES/Hachiroku.mpeg

Maybe you might pick-up some tips...

Koguchi is a D1 pro-drifter.&nbsp He runs some hellish negative camber on his 200SX - this does the same thing as positive camber - allow the rear tires to slip; this is enhanced by the crazy stiff suspension set-up he has.

The Hachi-roku movie...you'll see the positive camber in the back if your eyes are good.&nbsp The camber is definitely not as negative as the fronts.

Different driving styles dictate different drift set-ups...


-Ted

 

As you can see from the videos drifting is a very dangerous and reckless thing to be doing on the road. I drifted my first 7 into a tree at about 60mph.

 

yeh d1's

i just saw the 2002


yeah, videos are kewl... u get so see diffrences

but i still wouldnt try positive.

i mean, if u go by video's, the orange FD from marionette is running softer springs in front w/stiffer in back.

i dunno hwo he pulls that off, but, hey whatever works!

postive camber = scary for moi'.

 

Why were you drifting with trees around? I don't think people should be drifting unless they mastered the other styles of driving: plain daily driving, grip-driving, racing driving, and track-driving. What's next? Reckless driving aka "Drifting"

If you drift, be safe.

- Kevin

 

Yo,


Damn, Hachi's transition /fast/. Talk about flickability. Damn!

KS
1989 GTUs "Now my car is gonna feel like a Supra."

 

Um, was that 240SX dude wearing any kind of seat belts?

And they call us crazy here in the US as photographers.. Did you see some of those dufus' standing out there? You've got a car literally on the hairs edge, and you're 10 ft from the track with a camera, no walls, nada.

Damn that AE86 kicked ***

PaulC

 

Don't forget to hit up hawaii based www.driftsession.com....

I think I just wet myself watching those videos...

 

There seems to be a lot of mythology about drift in the world today. Me as a "drifter" cannot figure this all out. Drifting needs almost the same modifications as any other type of racing or motorsport. Obviously their will be differnces between straight line racing and circuit racing with spring rates and such.

Being able to drift comes with running the proper line and practice. There are some things you can do to make your car handle the way you want and you will hear lots of variances on what works.

most cars especially FC's have some understeer dialed in to protect the normal driver from spining out of control. adding negative camber to the front is the best way to compenstate for this. You can do this by getting Pillow uper monts for your shocks. This allows you to add some camber to the front. As for camber in the rear, if you have a turbo FC then I would leave it alone as the negative camber allows you to have higher speed through the corners.

I noticed some people say to run really big super sticky tires in the front and this might work for you but in order to have a controlled high speed drift you really don't want too much bite in the front. It is better to have a tire that is controllable because drift is not just a matter of hanging the *** out it is a line that is held through the whole turn and the earlier you start and the later you fihish with the maximum possible speed is the goal. A tire that is too sticky will not allow the car to remain sideways in this manner. I would say it comes to balance, for example if you have S tires in the front and some crap tires in the rear you will find your self spinnng out all the time or the car will have lots of Turn in and it could force you to start the drift late and the slick tire will not have enough traction to apply power and continue forward motion so you will either slow down or spin.

Like someone else said start out with softer spring rates and more of a stock setting vehicle and build from there and let the car grow as your skills and knowledge grow. Body roll is not always a bad thing. softer spring rates let the car respons slower to your input and will allow for minor mistakes, harder spring rates cause the car to respond fast and are more unforgiving to mistakes.

Most guys who participate in D1 have sponsors and such so they have *** loads of money to make their cars super nice such as koguchi who has move his engine backmore than 6 inches so the weight balance is better ( something mazda did for us a long time ago) and his car has close to 600hp and now has a sequential transmission. One guy to look for if you have the latest D1 grand Prix final round video is Hideo Takahashi. He is a friend of mine and recently was in california teaching drift. He is the guy refered to on the slide squad homepage. This guy drives a hachi roku that is built by himself and he is a great drift driver but he has not spent the crazy money on his car as some of the other guys have.

The best advice I have is to start basic and build from there. Sorry for the long post I started to ramble.

 

... LoL, i drift with my stock suspension having 88 GTU, im not the best drifter and i cant do 20 drifts in a row all the time, but i usually can break out two or three in a row on a tight curvy road. and yes 88 GTU has LSD

 

tight curves are easy to drift, its the long increasing an decreasing radius curves that are hard.

 

Yeah, it all still goes into making the fronts stick and the rear "loose".&nbsp Softer fronts mean weight transfer to the front is enhanced - weight transfer to front causes better front traction but lowers traction in the rear.&nbsp Vice versa with the stiff springs in back - less weight transfer to the back keeps the rears "loose".



-Ted

 

Sorry to bring up the LSD issue again, but you CAN spin both wheels quite easily with an open diff, in a straight line. I know because my 84 Cosmo had one, and a hard launch (too hard!) would spin them both up.
I did a fair bit of drag racing in that car and never had a problem with one wheel losing traction. A 3500rpm launch would result in a short chirp and mucho acceleration; 4000rpm would push the *** sideways! That requires both wheels spinning!
On the racetrack however, it was an entirely different story...

 

Lockers don't actually lock the wheels together. An automatic locker will let one wheel turn faster than another on a high traction surface. It drives the slower wheel though, making it perfect for off-road. On pavement it makes a racheting sound and on tight corners will scrub the tires. That is why street cars us Limited Slip Differentials that have clutch packs that slip when on a high traction surface. It merely resists the wheels from turning at different speeds. The gear type, or Torsen, senses the wheel that has most traction and sends power to it. It is the smoothest of the three, although doesn't give you the most traction. The AM General Hummer comes stock with two Zexel Torsen diffs.

I have a bunch of drifting movies on my computer. I will have to get them organized into a music video.

 

Hmmm... positive camber on an AE86... I suppose you could maybe arrange that, but probably as a result of drifting badly. AE86s have live rear axles. If there's visible camber, you've got a problem.

Speaking of the D1GP... anybody see Haraguchi's (yellow BN-Sports-body-kit-having FC) performance in the first round of the finals? Yeehaw....

 

I cant get the 86 video to work

 

Or just a worn out Limited slip differential.