Does a bad Slave mean bad shifting?
05-29-02, 09:34 PM
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Does a bad Slave mean bad shifting?
Soposevly my slave is bad people say but the car shifts fine...the clutch just doesent disengage wether the clutch is in or out...Earlier the clutch pedal can be manually moved back to shift the car until it locked up no matter what...DOES THIS SOUND LIKE THE SLAVE...BECAUSE IM ABOUT TO PULL THE WHOLE CLUTCH.
Thnx guys..girls
Thnx guys..girls
05-29-02, 09:39 PM
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If the slave is not working, your clutch will not work. Think of it like this:
The clutch master pushes fluid through the hose to the slave. The slave pushes the clutch fork. If the pressure dies at the slave, the fork no movie...no movie fore, no changie gears.
Cory
The clutch master pushes fluid through the hose to the slave. The slave pushes the clutch fork. If the pressure dies at the slave, the fork no movie...no movie fore, no changie gears.
Cory
05-29-02, 09:53 PM
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I STILL DONT GET IT...
I CAN SHIFT.
The freaking car stalz after a few seconds from load. Is this the slave engaging the clutch to the tranz but. It stalz in NEUTRAL TOO.
I CAN SHIFT.
The freaking car stalz after a few seconds from load. Is this the slave engaging the clutch to the tranz but. It stalz in NEUTRAL TOO.
05-30-02, 01:52 AM
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HOW THE F**K are you shifting the car if the damn clutch doesn't disengage.
The word is STALLS. Not sTaLz. Good grief, is this highschool?
Christ people, chill out a little bit, we're trying to help, but lately a lot of these messages are beginning to **** me off. I don't give a rats *** if you're frustrated. You aren't paying for this help, so ease up!
Now...
<deep breath>
Again, how are you able to shift the car without the clutch disengaging?
Are you saying you can shift the car into neutral?
Shift the car into gear? Are you rev matching to do that? Is the engine running when you change gears?
The car is not going to stall in neutral. Period. No. Not. Do not pass go. Be damn sure you are certain this is the case, because you're leading us down a whole different path with that statement. Everything else tells me that the clutch is not DISengaging, due to a bad clutch master or slave cylinder.
So.. BEFORE you go pulling the tranny out of the car. Before you post a lengthy response on how I'm such an *******. Go to the auto parts store. Get a slave cylinder. A can of DOT 3 brake fluid. Have 10mm deep socket (and ratchet), 10mm flare nut wrench, an 8mm wrench, a 12mm socket (and ratchet).
Go pull the slave out of the car. Remove the oil filter, two bolts, and use the flare wrench to remove the hose.
Replace slave. BLEED the system. How do you do that? Put a rubber hose over the bleed fitting, crack it open with the 8mm wrench, and have a buddy press down on the clutch pedal. While at full depression, close the valve, have your buddy reset, and repeat. Wait until you stop seeing bubbles. Watch the master for fluid, don't let it empty or you'll have to do it all over again.
OK?
That doesn't release the clutch, replace the master cylinder. That's a bit of a pain, you'll put your head where your feet ususally go, look up, and find two 10mm nuts sticking thru the firewall, at the end of the clutch pedal. Remove. Go and reinstall with new master cylinder. fill, bleed, and it should be hunky dory. If that doesn't work, THEN come talk to us. But only then.
No.. No response. Go SWAP THE HYDRAULICS.
PaulC
The word is STALLS. Not sTaLz. Good grief, is this highschool?
Christ people, chill out a little bit, we're trying to help, but lately a lot of these messages are beginning to **** me off. I don't give a rats *** if you're frustrated. You aren't paying for this help, so ease up!
Now...
<deep breath>
Again, how are you able to shift the car without the clutch disengaging?
Are you saying you can shift the car into neutral?
Shift the car into gear? Are you rev matching to do that? Is the engine running when you change gears?
The car is not going to stall in neutral. Period. No. Not. Do not pass go. Be damn sure you are certain this is the case, because you're leading us down a whole different path with that statement. Everything else tells me that the clutch is not DISengaging, due to a bad clutch master or slave cylinder.
So.. BEFORE you go pulling the tranny out of the car. Before you post a lengthy response on how I'm such an *******. Go to the auto parts store. Get a slave cylinder. A can of DOT 3 brake fluid. Have 10mm deep socket (and ratchet), 10mm flare nut wrench, an 8mm wrench, a 12mm socket (and ratchet).
Go pull the slave out of the car. Remove the oil filter, two bolts, and use the flare wrench to remove the hose.
Replace slave. BLEED the system. How do you do that? Put a rubber hose over the bleed fitting, crack it open with the 8mm wrench, and have a buddy press down on the clutch pedal. While at full depression, close the valve, have your buddy reset, and repeat. Wait until you stop seeing bubbles. Watch the master for fluid, don't let it empty or you'll have to do it all over again.
OK?
That doesn't release the clutch, replace the master cylinder. That's a bit of a pain, you'll put your head where your feet ususally go, look up, and find two 10mm nuts sticking thru the firewall, at the end of the clutch pedal. Remove. Go and reinstall with new master cylinder. fill, bleed, and it should be hunky dory. If that doesn't work, THEN come talk to us. But only then.
No.. No response. Go SWAP THE HYDRAULICS.
PaulC
05-30-02, 02:57 AM
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Forgive me if I sound retarded but its late.
von it really helps if you give reference to your other threads about your problem. https://www.rx7club.com/forum/showth...threadid=83606
We all love to help but without being there or having all the input its hard for us to understand the whole problem.
All of this problem could be very simple but you need to make everything clear to us.
I have done two trany swaps so I know some of the problems you can have. Be patient
"Yes I bled the system. The system has enougf pressure in it to not stall the car im sure...... NOW . I thought the slave cylinder was used for shifting only...Can this device stall my car?"..von
Yes if the master cylinder gives pressure its good
from there it goes to the connection, to the hose, to connection, to the slave,
All of which must maintain the same pressure or the clutch will slowly(without moving the pedal)start to engage causing the motor to stall.
von it really helps if you give reference to your other threads about your problem. https://www.rx7club.com/forum/showth...threadid=83606
We all love to help but without being there or having all the input its hard for us to understand the whole problem.
All of this problem could be very simple but you need to make everything clear to us.
I have done two trany swaps so I know some of the problems you can have. Be patient
"Yes I bled the system. The system has enougf pressure in it to not stall the car im sure...... NOW . I thought the slave cylinder was used for shifting only...Can this device stall my car?"..von
Yes if the master cylinder gives pressure its good
from there it goes to the connection, to the hose, to connection, to the slave,
All of which must maintain the same pressure or the clutch will slowly(without moving the pedal)start to engage causing the motor to stall.
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05-30-02, 09:27 AM
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Ok well let me try my Slave tomorow. I already did the clutch with no problem...The slave is off of a 87 turbo 11.
As for the previous statement I think I said that the PEDAL can be pushed back MANUALY to shift. Until I was driving on freeway 10 minutes later the car started jerking like it was grabing then not grabing so I put it in neutral wile coasting the car had rougf idle until it stalled.
I think thats everything. Now everytime I start it in the morning it will idle for 20 seconds then die like something overheated...
Ps...the clutch grabs fine when I start it for a few seconds.
As for the previous statement I think I said that the PEDAL can be pushed back MANUALY to shift. Until I was driving on freeway 10 minutes later the car started jerking like it was grabing then not grabing so I put it in neutral wile coasting the car had rougf idle until it stalled.
I think thats everything. Now everytime I start it in the morning it will idle for 20 seconds then die like something overheated...
Ps...the clutch grabs fine when I start it for a few seconds.
05-30-02, 10:13 AM
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"Now everytime I start it in the morning it will idle for 20 seconds then die like something overheated"...von
So now I'm a little confused will the car start and idle for a long period of time if you just leave it in neutral, say 20 minutes.
So now I'm a little confused will the car start and idle for a long period of time if you just leave it in neutral, say 20 minutes.
05-31-02, 01:03 PM
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Are you sure that you didn't lose power? It would feel very much like the brakes came on, but would indicate entirely different problems. It would also explain the rough idle and dying more than clutch prblems.
05-31-02, 01:32 PM
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Its starting to sound more like an engine problem than transmission/clutch problem.
I'm guessing you don't hear any odd noises from the tranny(whirring/grinding)
My only other guess would be the actual clutch being bad. I had one that lost one of the small springs on the plate I replaced the master/slave I couldn't figure it out so I had to drop the tranny to find the problem, BUT the car would still idle fine.
How does the engine sound when it dies? does it just cut out or slowly sputter out
I'm guessing you don't hear any odd noises from the tranny(whirring/grinding)
My only other guess would be the actual clutch being bad. I had one that lost one of the small springs on the plate I replaced the master/slave I couldn't figure it out so I had to drop the tranny to find the problem, BUT the car would still idle fine.
How does the engine sound when it dies? does it just cut out or slowly sputter out
05-31-02, 07:19 PM
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It sputters out kind of roughf...No its not engine probs.
Guy at RX-7.com said it was clutch hydrolics (slave and or hoses) I already bought the street clutch kit so I will just replace the slave in the process. I will post my results.
Guy at RX-7.com said it was clutch hydrolics (slave and or hoses) I already bought the street clutch kit so I will just replace the slave in the process. I will post my results.
05-31-02, 07:32 PM
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Originally posted by von
I already bought the street clutch kit so I will just replace the slave in the process. I will post my results.
I already bought the street clutch kit so I will just replace the slave in the process. I will post my results.
Will these kids ever learn?
*sighs*
(I'm starting to sound like my dad... scary)
05-31-02, 07:36 PM
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Sorry I dont know what your talking about...I will see if thier are any problems with the clutch when taking it out. Did u hear me say that my clutch slips when I race anywayz. mabey it was another thread I made. I just figure this is a good time to replace everything and learn a little more.
Now that u mention it I might even put in SS braided Clutch lines...thnx
Now that u mention it I might even put in SS braided Clutch lines...thnx
05-31-02, 07:59 PM
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Ok..that sounded gay but my point was...Last couple night when I was racing I was like GEEZ Dood I need a new clutch...Think I will order one soon. *drops clutch and boom goes out* (so now I order one and im going to put it in because I can)
Adding Silkworm to the list of people who dont mind thier own business. I needed help on a particular sub and I got it. Thnx people because I know know what the slave is responsible for and I learned how to put a clutch master in. but silkworm , U seem to think Im not listening to advice.
Whatever. Mabey I should stop racing to. DAD.
Adding Silkworm to the list of people who dont mind thier own business. I needed help on a particular sub and I got it. Thnx people because I know know what the slave is responsible for and I learned how to put a clutch master in. but silkworm , U seem to think Im not listening to advice.
Whatever. Mabey I should stop racing to. DAD.
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