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Old Aug 5, 2005 | 08:36 PM
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Do FC3S have All Wheel Steering?

Do they? Some kid said that the back wheels on his turn a little too?
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Old Aug 5, 2005 | 08:38 PM
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Yes!

If by yes, you mean no.
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Old Aug 5, 2005 | 08:45 PM
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wow confused do they or dont they lol? IM AN IDIOT ^^^ NOT FUNNY!
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Old Aug 5, 2005 | 08:49 PM
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OK so I take it this kid has no idea what he's talking about? He has a convertable FC and he says that his rear wheels turn a little to or sumthin ? I know they have adjustable suspension. Is that stuff any good or is it poopy?
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Old Aug 5, 2005 | 09:22 PM
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no they dont. your friend is on crack!!!!
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Old Aug 5, 2005 | 09:26 PM
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no, you guys are on crack.

FC's do have passive rear steering built into the suspension. its called DTSS and it allows the rear wheels to toe in slightly during hard lateral G's.

doesnt work all that great, and alot of people find better handling by eliminting the system; but technically yes, the fc has rear steering (passive at least).
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Old Aug 5, 2005 | 09:54 PM
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The rear suspension was more unique. As all the Japanese automotive manufactures were playing with rear steering in the mid -eighties, the RX-7 followed suite with an independent, Dynamic Tracking Suspension System with trailing arms, Triaxial floating hubs, camber control links, coil springs, and a 12 mm anti-roll bar (14 mm with the Heavy Duty suspension). Mazda claims to have applied for more than 100 patents on their Dynamic Tracking Suspension System independent rear suspension. With DTSS, the rear wheels become an active component of the steering system, changing from toe-out during low lateral force cornering to toe-in for extra stability during high lateral acceleration cornering situations and to reduce lift throttle over steer which had been a problem on the 1st generation. Similar systems were soon found on Porsche and other German manufactures vehicles.
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Old Aug 5, 2005 | 10:31 PM
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To sum up, it makes the car more stable under hard cornering but, in my experience at least, takes away some of the feel and predictabilty. Its basically just so that people that push the car past its limits wont go flying off the road. It could just be that its old an not working quite as well as when it was new, but I much prefer the hard bushings. I've never had a single problem with them eliminated. In my experince, FC's are very predictable handling wise.
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Old Aug 5, 2005 | 10:32 PM
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i *think* it may be because it is worn that creates the unstable feel...

i mean it is over 15 years out... i am sure they worked GREAT at one point...
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Old Aug 6, 2005 | 01:58 AM
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I agree with slpin, any car with worn bushes is going to handle funny. If you replace them with new bushes it will feel better. This is most likely why DTSS has a poor reputation and why people think removing the DTSS system is an improvement. I've never heard on anybody installing new DTSS bushings so this reputation is probably based on flawed info.
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Old Aug 6, 2005 | 05:11 AM
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I can't believe people were actually posting in this thread saying the FC didn't have this!
Geez get outta the tech section if you haven't heard of DTSS...
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Old Aug 6, 2005 | 05:19 AM
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to me it is just awkward, the *** end tends to jump here and there under hard accel then decel conditions. sure it works ok when you are cornering hard but if you have to let off the throttle in that same corner you have to expect the car to react slightly abnormally.
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Old Aug 6, 2005 | 05:27 AM
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Originally Posted by NZConvertible
I agree with slpin, any car with worn bushes is going to handle funny. If you replace them with new bushes it will feel better. This is most likely why DTSS has a poor reputation and why people think removing the DTSS system is an improvement. I've never heard on anybody installing new DTSS bushings so this reputation is probably based on flawed info.
I think this is due to the fact that they don't sell just the bushing by itself, which tends to lead people to buy the eliminators rather than the whole assembly.
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Old Aug 6, 2005 | 05:35 PM
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That would make sense. I bet they're expensive...
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Old Aug 6, 2005 | 07:32 PM
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I thought all wheel steering was that thing GM put on there SUV's recently where the rear wheels actually turn.
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Old Aug 6, 2005 | 08:06 PM
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TT 300zx has and so does the 3000gt vr4 ( thay actually turn but not much )
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Old Aug 6, 2005 | 08:15 PM
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hate to say it but the prelude 92-96 had a 4WS system smiliar to this as well


didnt do much though
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Old Aug 6, 2005 | 11:13 PM
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Originally Posted by locketine
I thought all wheel steering was that thing GM put on there SUV's recently where the rear wheels actually turn.

yeah their is actualy powered. the one on the FC (and all the other cars of that era) was passive and used only the forces acting on the tire from the road.
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Old Aug 7, 2005 | 01:57 AM
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Originally Posted by Tournapart
hate to say it but the prelude 92-96 had a 4WS system smiliar to this as well

didnt do much though
This was actually an ACTIVE system, and not a passive system like the FC3S DTSS.


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Old Aug 7, 2005 | 01:57 AM
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Originally Posted by Grim129
TT 300zx has...
Yes, it's called "HICAS", and there are eliminator kits for these as well! :P


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Last edited by RETed; Aug 7, 2005 at 02:17 AM.
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Old Aug 7, 2005 | 02:10 AM
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haha NO its called "hicas" in the Nissans
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Old Aug 7, 2005 | 02:14 AM
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someone said the FC doesn't have DTSS wtf mate? smoke crack?
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Old Aug 7, 2005 | 02:17 AM
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Originally Posted by Grim129
haha NO its called "hicas" in the Nissans
Oops, you're right.
Damn Nissan acronyms!
Super HICAS is the passive AWS (rear steer) for Nissans!

ATTESA has to be the AWD system then!


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Old Aug 7, 2005 | 02:20 AM
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I just find it funny that the guy who works at CORKSPORT said this didnt exist. Who can we trust?
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Old Aug 7, 2005 | 02:49 AM
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ya i do not know the name for the 3000gt's

thats y i work on my own car haha !!!!
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