so i my ignition cylinder/lock is dead and i am unable to start my car or really do much of anything.. i am wondering how i can rewire it so i can atleast drive it to work tomorrow and to pick up a new cylinder tomorrow. This is what i have so far

12V CONSTANT WIRE BLACK
STARTER WIRE BLACK/RED
IGNITION WIRE BLACK/WHITE
SECOND IGNITION WIRE BLACK/RED
ACCESSORY WIRE BLUE

But that leaves some wires untouched.



can anyone help me get it running

 

Your looking at the WRONG place to jumper wires. Go follow the pigtail wires of the ignition switch to about a full foot FWD of where your picture is.

Now about the colors I'm about to mention. They are NOT the color wires on the pigtail. They are the wire colors that the pigtail connectors on the Front harness have.

You will find a connector with two wires in it. One colored Black/White and the other pure Black. Pure black is the one that feeds the ignition switch. Jumper the pure Black one to the Black/White one and that will give you all the power needed to make the engine run. You'll need to keep this jumper in the for the engine to keep running.

It will NOT give you power for the starter to turn over though. You need to jumper that pure Black wire mentioned above to another connector that has but one wire in it. That one wire connectors color will be Black/Red. When you jumper the pure black wire to the black/red the starter will spin over.

I suggest your real problem is a lack of power on the pure black wire and not the ignition switch.

 

thanks, but this will atleast let me know if the issue is my ignition lock, and if that doesnt work i dont know what to try next

 

so i looped the wire and my window still wont roll up and starter still not clicking.. i checked all interior fuses and nothing is bad.. the owner before me has messed the wiring up pretty good.. so what happened was while driving all of a sudden the car started "switching off" and on a few times very quickly it just died and couldnt turn it back on, windows wouldnt roll starter wouldnt click. i dont know what to do now.. i was really hoping this would have been the solution. any help would be great

 

Did you test for constant voltage on the Black wire to see if it were present? This is important to have.

 

well..nope i didnt.. i dont happen to have a voltmeter ?

 

also i came to realize that looking black and black/white would not give power to my windows? is that correct? to do so would i want to loop blue to black? also is black/red second ignition wire important for this?

 

Find one to use.

 

Jumping the Black to the B/W would provide voltage to the power windows. If the interior fuse box had voltage to it via the battery buss then the hazard lights and brake lights would work w/o key. If these don't work then the Main fuse in the engine fuse box is possibly out.

 

hazards work. but i have to get ready for work now since i gotta walk there.. lol fun.. anyway i guess i will pick up a voltmeter while at work and if something thinks of something else my problem could be in the meantime feel free to chime in! thank you satch for all the help so far hopefully ill have it figured out soon!

 

The black wire that is in the connector with the black/white wire powers the ignition switch and in turn it feeds PART of the interior fuse box if the key is ON.

That black wire itself is fed from a connector in the engine bay. The connector shown in the attached jpg. Pull that connector apart and reconnect it and see if you now have power to the ignition switch....or not.

That connector might be difficult for one to see if he does not know what it is............so I put yellow dots on the wire leaving the connector and red dots on the wire coming into that connector. See jpg attached.


EDIT: IN your first post you mention a BLACK wire in YOUR picture that has a constant 12vdc. I THINK that that particular wire probably comes from the battery buss in the interior fuse box, meaning to me............that I'm pretty sure that the black wire I mentioned earlier is not feeding the ignition switch from it's source in the engine bay. Just FYI.

 

The interior fuse box is fed as described on the attached jpg. The black/red wire (called out in the jpg attached) is the black/red wire in a connector with another wire at the ig switch. The black/red alone by itself at the ignitoin switch is going to the starter via the clutch interlock switch etc.

 

Hailers thanks for all the help ill have to go over all the information you gave again tomorrow, I have trouble understanding eletrical things as quickly as mechanical. I'll let you know how things go after that.

Also. The previous owner had a switch looped from the red square to the green on your fuse box image there was no fuss installed in this loop (which I didn't realise until this issue otherwise I would have wired it correctly.) Anyway with the switch in the off position the car wouldn't start an windows wouldn't work or anything, even when the the key was in the on position. I don't get why though, I didn't think either of those areas would effect the cars ability to start and run? Sorry I didn't mention this earlier I just thought about it and realised I should mention it.

 

The RED area of the fuse box is what is called a Battery Bus and it has power 24/7.

The Green, Blue and Yellow areas of the interior fuse box have power only if the key is ON.

It sounds to me like the fellow lost power to the BLACK wire at the ignition switch, soooooooo he decided to feed the Green area of the fuse box via the battery bus (red area) using a toggle switch.

So I'm saying I think the best plan for you is to make sure the pure BLACK wire at the ignitoin switch plugs has power. Like I said earlier, it comes from that plug in the engine bay that I attached a picture of earlier. Fix that and you fix the ignition switch *problem* and probably will be able to get rid of that jumper wire in the interior fuse box along with its toggle swtich.

 

so i did as you said and it still didnt work so i went back to the wire he had looped.. i put a fuse between it and jumped the same fuses and it worked but the fuse popped almost instantly.. it is jumped from "illum" to "turn" at this point i am very confused and dont understand why the car would start with them jumped but not without.. it popped a 15 instantly, im not sure if i should just put a bigger fuse in there or do something else? i am lost!

 

also it gets pretty hot when looped.
i have come to the conclusion that i just need to rip out this whole harness and rewire everything..

 

You desperatley NEED digital meter. Can be had at Harbor Freight for five bucks or RS for??? ten?

Harness does not need to be removed at all.

Jumper NEEDS to be removed completley.

Connect all the plugs for the ignition up.

Pull that single wire connector apart in the engine bay. Get a piece of elect wire bare at each end. Put one end into the MALE half of that plug. Touch and hold the other end to the battery positive post.

IF the key is ON and the wipers are put to ON the wipers should start running when you touch the wire to the batt positive post. Proving that you have/had no power going to the ignition switch and that is the problem.

Or if the wipers switch is broken..........turn the turn signals on and then with key ON and the wire touching the batt positive post the turn signals should start clicking.

IF for some reason those two items were and are broken........then with the wire touching the batt positive post, look at the gauges and see if they move or not. Like the volt meter if the car has one.

All through this thread I have never mentioned the wires riveted to the ignition switch itself. I talk ONLY about the color of the wires at the connectors of the ignition switch and those colors are the colors NOT of the wires in the pigtail going to the ignition switch but the color of the wires in the connector that is part of the front harness. Just FYII.

 

IF one must talk about the colors of the wires directly AT the ignition switch (those in YOUR picture).........the WHITE/RED wire is the power wire getting power from the engine bay. It powers the rest of the wires in that switch.

IF it, WHITE/RED is jumpered to the BLACK/YELLOW which feeds all the fuses required for running the ENGINE. Not odd ball things not related to making the engine run.

Jumpering the White/Red to the Blue wire in YOUR picture should make the acc work. Acc are the radio and Cigar lighter.

Jumpering the White/Red to the LARGE BLACK/RED IN YOUR PICUTE should result in the starter spinning.

Jumpering the White/Red to the BLACK/WHITE should result in the wiper working if the wiper are put to ON.

If none of this happens......the White/Red is not getting power from the engine bay and that needs fixing.

 

The SMALL black/red in YOUR picute is of no use whatsoever. IGNORE it altogether. Its just for key lighting.

The LARGE black/red is hidden in your picture. It is just below a bit and inboard of the White/Red power wire in YOUR picutre. Jumper the White/Red to the large BLACK/RED results in the starter turning over. IF the White/Red is getting power from the engine bay.

 

Something I might have mistated yesterday or the day before............AT the PLUGS for the ignition switch, if they are pulled apart and you jumper the pure black to the GREEN/BLACK wire............that should result in the starter spinning IF the pure black has power going to it.

IF the starter did not spin and the car is stk in everyother way........then the ignition switch is not getting power from the engine bay. The ignition switch is not at fault.

With every plug connected...........if you pull the black connector in the engine bay apart and jumper power from the positive post on the batt to the MALE half of that plug, then that should power the ignition switch.

 

well I understood the colors of the wires you explained earlier and that they are not the colors located in the picture that i provided. I did follow your advice I had gotten a voltmeter the other day though now a digital one, I was not getting power to the "black wire" or white/red depending on where you are looking.
I got constant power to it after rewiring back to correct location (no clue what the previous owner has done with wiring or why they felt the need to mess with it in the first place). Anyway after I got power to it still was not turning on anything (wipers or turn signals) only working electrics in the car were hazards and brakes. After doing all this is when i posted yesterday. As far as i know ignition wiring has been corrected.

(Yesterday)
That was when I decided to go and look at the fuse box again and got things to work. When the ignition is in the on position I now have power to all areas on the fuse box BUT nothing will work; windows will not roll, car will not turn over, again only hazards and brakes.
At that point I was completely lost and decided to try jumping the fuse box which worked powered everything, it only worked if i jumped "illum" to "turn" the car would not work if I jumped anywhere else in the battery but to anywhere in the "green area"

Today-

I will be re-reading over your newer posts and doing as you direct. I will update when i am done.
I would also like to add that im sure it must be frustrating dealing with me and my lack of electrical knowledge and I appreciate that you haven't given up! Thanks for helping, and putting things in understandable terms.