Clutch Troubles
05-10-06, 02:51 PM
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Clutch Troubles
This is about an 88 FC Turbo II in immaculate condition.
Ok this is a weird problem so i'll try to explain it as best as possible.
So i'm driving down the road and the clutch goes to the ground and stays there. I pick it back up and put it back down to get back into gear. Anyways that is irrelevant after further inspection this is what its doing and how its acting.
If you push the pedal down to the ground it stays there until you pick it back up manually. After picking it up you can push it down to use it again with no loss of pressure or anything. This is obviuosly annoying, so what i started doing was only putting the clutch down to the engagement point and shifting and it would come back up and you can use it like normal. However this becomes an issue trying to get out of a parking spot, and for starting up the car etc, because you HAVE to push the clutch down to the floor to get it in reverse or into first from a stop. So to get out of a parking spot I have to push it down in neutral start the car while its down. Next I have to pull it back up and push it down again and go into reverse, at this point the car TAKES OFF at like full speed and before i hit anything i have to pull it back up and push it down again to get out of reverse quickly. Obviously this is a pain in the ***. Anyways once you are out of the parking spot its not really hard to drive the car, jsut leave space in front of you when you need to take off etc.. however this is irrelvaent.
Summary:
1. If clutch is pushed down passed where it enganges it gets stuck down.
2. If clutch is only pushed down to engagement point and then you shift it comes right back up and acts like a normal clutch
3. It never loses or gains pressure. feels absoultley normal when pushing it down each time aftery ou pick it up
4. Pumping the clutch pedal has no affect on it whatsoever it just acts excatly the same.
5. Problem happened suddenly with no signs beforehand.
6. i've been driving it like this for about 2 weeks ( its not a big deal unless i have to back out of a parking spot) and its consistantly acted exactly like this no change.
7. At red lights i just give myself space and put it down go into first take off and pick up the pedal and just drive it normally at that point only going down to the engagement point
8. I got down on my hands/knees and went in there and pushed on the pedal wit h my hand. If you get it down to the piont where it doesn't come back up it slowly finds its way down to the floor ( dunno if this has anything to do with it)
9. While the clutch is stuck down it acts as if the clutch is up, like when you step on the gas it accelerates not revs the engine dunno if this makes a difference in helping you guys tell me whats wrong with it.
Alright well I have no idea what is wrong with it i've never encountered such a weird problem. I bought a master/slave cylinder rebuild kit and a Stainless steel clutch line i plan to put all those on and rebuild the cylinders and see if that fixes it becaues it seems like a hydraulic problem to me. Hopefully this is not the clutch itself or anything I have to drop the tranny out for.
Let me know what you guys thinkt he problem is, also i'm int he middle of trying to take the cylinders out i found the master cylinder but I'm having troulbe finding the slave cylinder, according to my factory manual it seems its closer to the top and you might be able to aces it from above the car but crawling under it jacked up or look downf rom the engine comparmtent i can't find it, if anyone can help me locating that it wil help too, or if anyone has experienced a similar problem and knows what the problem is let me know please, thanks guys.
Ok this is a weird problem so i'll try to explain it as best as possible.
So i'm driving down the road and the clutch goes to the ground and stays there. I pick it back up and put it back down to get back into gear. Anyways that is irrelevant after further inspection this is what its doing and how its acting.
If you push the pedal down to the ground it stays there until you pick it back up manually. After picking it up you can push it down to use it again with no loss of pressure or anything. This is obviuosly annoying, so what i started doing was only putting the clutch down to the engagement point and shifting and it would come back up and you can use it like normal. However this becomes an issue trying to get out of a parking spot, and for starting up the car etc, because you HAVE to push the clutch down to the floor to get it in reverse or into first from a stop. So to get out of a parking spot I have to push it down in neutral start the car while its down. Next I have to pull it back up and push it down again and go into reverse, at this point the car TAKES OFF at like full speed and before i hit anything i have to pull it back up and push it down again to get out of reverse quickly. Obviously this is a pain in the ***. Anyways once you are out of the parking spot its not really hard to drive the car, jsut leave space in front of you when you need to take off etc.. however this is irrelvaent.
Summary:
1. If clutch is pushed down passed where it enganges it gets stuck down.
2. If clutch is only pushed down to engagement point and then you shift it comes right back up and acts like a normal clutch
3. It never loses or gains pressure. feels absoultley normal when pushing it down each time aftery ou pick it up
4. Pumping the clutch pedal has no affect on it whatsoever it just acts excatly the same.
5. Problem happened suddenly with no signs beforehand.
6. i've been driving it like this for about 2 weeks ( its not a big deal unless i have to back out of a parking spot) and its consistantly acted exactly like this no change.
7. At red lights i just give myself space and put it down go into first take off and pick up the pedal and just drive it normally at that point only going down to the engagement point
8. I got down on my hands/knees and went in there and pushed on the pedal wit h my hand. If you get it down to the piont where it doesn't come back up it slowly finds its way down to the floor ( dunno if this has anything to do with it)
9. While the clutch is stuck down it acts as if the clutch is up, like when you step on the gas it accelerates not revs the engine dunno if this makes a difference in helping you guys tell me whats wrong with it.
Alright well I have no idea what is wrong with it i've never encountered such a weird problem. I bought a master/slave cylinder rebuild kit and a Stainless steel clutch line i plan to put all those on and rebuild the cylinders and see if that fixes it becaues it seems like a hydraulic problem to me. Hopefully this is not the clutch itself or anything I have to drop the tranny out for.
Let me know what you guys thinkt he problem is, also i'm int he middle of trying to take the cylinders out i found the master cylinder but I'm having troulbe finding the slave cylinder, according to my factory manual it seems its closer to the top and you might be able to aces it from above the car but crawling under it jacked up or look downf rom the engine comparmtent i can't find it, if anyone can help me locating that it wil help too, or if anyone has experienced a similar problem and knows what the problem is let me know please, thanks guys.
05-10-06, 03:13 PM
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Is there a return spring on your pedal? If not that would explain it. Sounds like if you go past the friction point there is nothing to pull the pedal back.
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Hrm i have no idea, I can take a picture of the pedal and of the clutch area, Do any of you know where the slave cylidner is in an 88 turbo II? I can't find it I was just out there looking with my flahslight and facotry manual I can tseem to find it, for now I guess i'll rebuild the master cylinder, keept he repsonses coming!
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Originally Posted by DimLuck13
Hrm i have no idea, I can take a picture of the pedal and of the clutch area, Do any of you know where the slave cylidner is in an 88 turbo II? I can't find it I was just out there looking with my flahslight and facotry manual I can tseem to find it, for now I guess i'll rebuild the master cylinder, keept he repsonses coming!
05-10-06, 05:13 PM
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almost sounds like a master or slave, but then again if the pedal is still engaging the clutch without a problem, the problem may be somewhere else.
What will happen is the fluid in the master or slave (doesn't matter, principle is the same) will bypass the piston as opposed to pushing it in, then when the pedal tries to come back it has to suck the fluid past the piston again in order to come up. But since there is only minor pressure on the pedal itself to come up, it stays down until you pull it. The only reason I would say its something else is simply because it *apparently* operates the clutch without issue.
But I believe its the master/slave or both.
What will happen is the fluid in the master or slave (doesn't matter, principle is the same) will bypass the piston as opposed to pushing it in, then when the pedal tries to come back it has to suck the fluid past the piston again in order to come up. But since there is only minor pressure on the pedal itself to come up, it stays down until you pull it. The only reason I would say its something else is simply because it *apparently* operates the clutch without issue.
But I believe its the master/slave or both.
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