Check out this bumper group buy
12-20-01, 12:21 PM
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12-20-01, 02:00 PM
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Yes it fits without any fender modifications, bolts right up like any other bumper. The headlights are unmodified, dual headlight kits can be made, only if this group buy is successful. But for right now, its just with stock headlights. If we put all the time into settin up the bumpers with a headlight conversion, more money would be lost, because we have to see if there is even interest in a front bumper at all, and it doesnt appear like it. 
12-20-01, 02:35 PM
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Give it some time, people will jump on it. I really like it, and if there's no need for fender modifications, you can count me in!! Only thing is, I've heard that the 86-88 have a slightly different fender than the 89-91s....
12-20-01, 02:47 PM
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Hate to throw a wet blanket on this extravaganza, but nothing on that website (maybe I missed it) goes into what happens post-sale. What happens if the seller doesn't like the actual product once installed but not used or driven around? Is there a return policy at all?
What happens if the thing does not fit on the buyers car? What is the refund policy? Who takes care of return shipping, insurance? For that matter, if the bumper is shipped, how is it insured? Will the seller file a claim on behalf of the buyer with the shipper or is the entire item going to be shipped FOB Origin? Can the buyer then buy insurance or is it included from the shipper? What happens if one gets "lost"? Is there a tracking mechanism like UPS uses or FEDEX? What about design problems? It cracks or breaks on installation because each one is hand made and a weakness occurs while the bumper is being made? Will that be covered as a return or will there be a squabble and lots of fingerpointing, posts on this forum about the "unfairness of it all". So what is the refund policy if any or are these items sold "AS IS". Then the buyer has to know. Right now it will carry the UCC policies applicable in that state. If you don't know what that means, you better find out. Both buyer and seller are talking about a large chunk of change here.
Nothing dampens the glow of a new purchase like a defective product.
I can play "what if" with product liability all day. But that's what it really is, "What if". The above questions should be answered in writing or on the seller's website. It makes the transaction smoother and allows both buyer and seller to refer to something in writing should anything go wrong.
What happens if the thing does not fit on the buyers car? What is the refund policy? Who takes care of return shipping, insurance? For that matter, if the bumper is shipped, how is it insured? Will the seller file a claim on behalf of the buyer with the shipper or is the entire item going to be shipped FOB Origin? Can the buyer then buy insurance or is it included from the shipper? What happens if one gets "lost"? Is there a tracking mechanism like UPS uses or FEDEX? What about design problems? It cracks or breaks on installation because each one is hand made and a weakness occurs while the bumper is being made? Will that be covered as a return or will there be a squabble and lots of fingerpointing, posts on this forum about the "unfairness of it all". So what is the refund policy if any or are these items sold "AS IS". Then the buyer has to know. Right now it will carry the UCC policies applicable in that state. If you don't know what that means, you better find out. Both buyer and seller are talking about a large chunk of change here.
Nothing dampens the glow of a new purchase like a defective product.
I can play "what if" with product liability all day. But that's what it really is, "What if". The above questions should be answered in writing or on the seller's website. It makes the transaction smoother and allows both buyer and seller to refer to something in writing should anything go wrong.
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12-20-01, 03:21 PM
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In pictures those big gaping holes under the lights are just blacked out, but in real life there will be a preaty awful looking assortment of junk that is usualy covered up by the bumper. I mean unless you are planning on cutting out some body work to let the air go directly to the brakes there is just going to be this huge hole leading to nowhere. Just my opinion, buy it if ya like it. :p
12-20-01, 04:02 PM
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In pictures those big gaping holes under the lights are just blacked out, but in real life there will be a preaty awful looking assortment of junk that is usualy covered up by the bumper. I mean unless you are planning on cutting out some body work to let the air go directly to the brakes there is just going to be this huge hole leading to nowhere. Just my opinion, buy it if ya like it. :p
In pictures those big gaping holes under the lights are just blacked out, but in real life there will be a preaty awful looking assortment of junk that is usualy covered up by the bumper. I mean unless you are planning on cutting out some body work to let the air go directly to the brakes there is just going to be this huge hole leading to nowhere. Just my opinion, buy it if ya like it. :p
12-20-01, 11:38 PM
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I'm going to put a mesh screen there. It tells about post sale, and shipping is frieght COD, also they are going to hand make the first and then make a mold of it.
12-21-01, 01:20 AM
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Originally posted by Node
Thats nice looking, hope you can get it made to look that good or better than you expected
Thats nice looking, hope you can get it made to look that good or better than you expected
The side ducts are actually not as big as they look, the whole does not go all the way to the bottom of the 99 lights, they are around 6-7" high, excellant for front mounted oil cooler, or brake ducts... Much better flow than our little side scoops...
12-21-01, 09:20 AM
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That response did not address any of my comments. Post sale on the website did not have any information on what happens if the buyer wants to make a return. Further, making a mold and then working off that did not address the comments either. That's ok.
It will be another thread in the Lounge on why the seller is being difficult or why I did not get my money back; blazing emails back and forth and non legal advice on slander and libel given as legal advice. Makes my job that much more fun!
Good luck with the venture if you are part of it. Any small capitalized business in this economy should be applauded. Doing it right is more difficult!
That response did not address any of my comments. Post sale on the website did not have any information on what happens if the buyer wants to make a return. Further, making a mold and then working off that did not address the comments either. That's ok.
It will be another thread in the Lounge on why the seller is being difficult or why I did not get my money back; blazing emails back and forth and non legal advice on slander and libel given as legal advice. Makes my job that much more fun!
Good luck with the venture if you are part of it. Any small capitalized business in this economy should be applauded. Doing it right is more difficult!
12-21-01, 04:47 PM
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Originally posted by MaxRX7
make the "Knightrider" LED sign, check my sig..
make the "Knightrider" LED sign, check my sig..
I may try it some time.
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