Everlastingboost

ok starter is fine, battery is fine. Car still wont start? Will the car start without all the grounds hooked up in the interior? When i tried to start it this time the car smoked like something electrical was burning? It came from right around the starter and the negative battery cable shot out of the terminal WTF is going on? Any help would be great thanks,kevin.

DerangedHermit

Do you have the starter hooked up right?

As in the ECU grounds?

Everlastingboost

no, the gronds that are hooked up when the dash is in, and i also need to know which posts on the starter the positive and ground hook up to.

DerangedHermit

There's a clip that goes to the top of the starter, probably has a black connector.

There's also a large wire, I believe black with a yellow stripe that you bolt on.

DerangedHermit

Oh, and a ground that goes between the starter and tranny. Or starter and engine block (on the big long bolt), not sure if it makes a difference.

WAYNE88N/A

You had something wired wrong and shorted something in the starter circuit, sounds like. That's a LOT of juice to be shorting, too...The ground cable terminal from the battery should go under the long bolt's head or nut, either at the starter end, or the rear housing end, your choice...The large cable from the positive batt circuit should go the the large lug on the starter solenoid, at the top of the starter. The other "little" wire from the starter itself should go to the smaller lug beside the big one...If you got juice to flow down there at the starter, and it sounds like you did, lol, then you've got enough hooked up in the car's interior to do the job...Now I think your problem is gonna be figuring out what exactly you fried during your "smoke check" escapade...

Everlastingboost

my starter is good i had it checked at a shop and also at a parts store. What ground are you talking about i dont have one there. Also my bolt is not very long at all it doesnt go much farther than about 3 inches in (lol that sounds gay) anyway wtf is going on. That ground you speak of is non existent on my car? I also dont know if this matters but i believe the timing is off but the car wont even turn over?

Everlastingboost

Omg I'm an idiot, I had the starter completely wired wrong. i had the negative cable and the postive cable hooked up to the solenoid so ofcorse it was frying the starter. thanks for all your help and patience with my dumbass!

scottyT

The whole harness on the top of the engine is part of the fuel injection harness,so if you have a short to ground the engine will not start,I had this problem.
1) check all the fuses under the hood
2)then disconect the negative side of battery and with a test lamp between the battery and the cable,if the light comes on, then you have a short.
3)If you still have the AC pump on the car and the power sterring pump is still on,there is a electrical conection and wire that runs under the pump.Make sure that this wire has not shorted out or pinched between pump and the ac

Everlastingboost

well i got the car to turn over but now it wont start. It just cranks. How would i rectify this problem? Checked for spark, its good. Checked all the fuses also but none are blown. Any help guys? Ive heard that it could possibly be flooded? Also there is a little bit of smoke coming from the mufflers and also a little bit of smoke coming from the header? I think thats just because its not bolted on tightly though. Any help, Wayne im talking to you lol laterz,kevin.

WAYNE88N/A

I thought you fixed the wiring and she was good?

Pull a couple of plugs, see if they're wet, then you'll know for sure whether you're flooded or not...Do you smell gas in the exhaust after cranking?

Freakin' bolt the header on, man, or you won't be able to hear your grandchildren, lol...

stock

I think its flooded every time you turn the ignition key it injects fuel (to my understanding).
pull the plugs and clean them up then pull the fuel (efi i believe) fuse in the engine bay aft of the battery crank it for alittle bit to blow the fuel out. reinstall the plugs and crank it again with the fuse out for alittle bit. if you have a very good battery (hi cranking amp) start the car with the fuse installed. if the battery is not strong borrow another battery,
good luck
al

Everlastingboost

yeah i do smell gas in the exhaust? Also there is some smoke coming out of the tailpipes? Ill pull the plugs on saturday and let you guys know. Wayne would a vacuum leak not make her start? thanks.

ForeverRotary

What up kev, its mike. To elaborate on the starting problem: the engine isn't really "cranking", when we try to start it the starter just whines and the fan spins, but there is no combustion. There is spark but the engine isn't trying to start. Any ideas?

ForeverRotary

By the way, I'm a friend of EverlastingBoost's. I'm helping him work on this fun little project.

Everlastingboost

hey whats up mike nice to see you finally joined heh. Anyway yah anyone have any ideas besides it being flooded? Timing maybe?

Nicks87

The only way I could figure if it was timing would be if it would be firing early~ or late. When it cranks does it backfire or predetinate? You said the engine cranks so it isn't firing at the point where it would creat pressure to lockup (if its possible) I say its flooded, mine does it all the time and it is a bitch! Good luck!

WAYNE88N/A

Yep, sounds like you're flooded- bad, lol...

S4? Pull the plugs, dry them off, pull the EGI fuse, crank her for a while to get as much fuel out as you can (pedal to the floor), inject some oil through the leading plugs holes, turn the engine over by hand (to disperse the oil), reinstall the plugs, mash the pedal to the floor, and crank her till she starts, observing starter duty cycles...May have to do this a couple of times...

What is it with everybody flooding now?

Everlastingboost

ill try this tomorrow, what actually causes flooding? Bad fpr?

WAYNE88N/A

Shutting the car down before she warms up and drops to the 750 idle is the main cause, I think. Some kind of software error in the ECU, from what I've heard.

Low compression is a secondary reason...

Then you got the guys who want to use monster injectors for the primaries, lol...

Everlastingboost

well thats crap. I wonder if re chip ecu from someone like corksport would get rid of that problem?

asuka42227

Not sure what series you've got, but the S5 you can just put the pedal to the floor and crank. The ecu cuts the fuel at full throttle on the S5. Good luck.

Everlastingboost

nope i have a s4 thanks though.

Crashx7

http://www.rx7.com/tech/unflood-fc.html

ForeverRotary

what the hell kev, thought we were gonna work on the rx today....lazy ***