TheMafia

ok.. just got off the phone with a mechanic and he asked me if when the car is turns over if it smells like gas? and i said,"yeh, sometimes"
then he replied that i probly need a a new engine cuz the engine is pretty much blown. is this true?!

when the car turns over its drives just fine
it cranks but won't turn over
could it be the starter?

suggestions??

88 fc n/a GXL auto

siguy2k

iTrader: (3)

sounds flooded

phoenix7

sound flooded to me too. Got any details?? Mileage, maintenance schedule, recent repairs? If you gave the mechanic as much detail as you gave us then he's pulling that diagnosis out of his ***. Be specific.

Jpk3200

Yeah try this before you go buying another engine.
http://www.rotorwiki.com/index.php/Flooding

TheMafia

okay.. here are the specifics
88 fc gxl auto
it was in storage for about a year..
previous owner said he put
new engine + new tranni + new fuel pump ( not sure if its true) at 116500
I got it with 119200

in the past month of owning car
I put new battery
new fuses
oil change
new coil igniter
cleaned out spark plugs ( they seemed fairly new)

the car is at 120000

i am new to rotary... but i read about flooding problems.. and made sure that this would never happen to me, so i would make sure the car temp was good before i shut it off.

the 7 cranks but won't turn over
but went it wants to turn over it runs great

help!
I've been trying to get this started for the past 2-3 hours.. i need to go to work soon..!!!!

help!

siguy2k

iTrader: (3)

try to push or pull start it..

classicauto

iTrader: (3)

"auto"

TheMafia

it auto... not sure i can do that

Nick_d_TII

iTrader: (6)

Oh already there, here it is again...
You can unplug the fuel pump in the back, or take out the egi fuse in the front, crank, crank, crank then try again. I've heard of putting a little oil in the spark plug holes to help build compression...

I don't believe any prof. mechanics... they gotta make money... it is a rotary, and some people have no idea how they work. They think that if it doesn't start its blown because its a rotary.

siguy2k

iTrader: (3)

sorry missed that point. try to disconnect the fuel pump at the pump. then pull the leading plugs and crank it to get some of the gas out. I would then put all new plugs and try to start it. I would also put some mmo or just oil in the leading plug holes to try and build compression.

TheMafia

first of all... thnx for all the help...
I'm a newbie to the 7 only had it for a month, and i think i'm regretting it..

where would i disconnect the pump?
and the leading plugs, i'm guessing would be the bottom plugs?
I'm thinking it might not have enough compression, i don't rewally think its flooded
i tried de-flooding it anyway.. and nothing.
so.. ??

could it be the ignition.. even though.. all the electrics come on and stuff?

phoenix7

can you take a vid, youtube it and link us?

TheMafia

i can try....

TehMonkay

iTrader: (-1)

uhh, if it has a new engine, just pull the egi fuses out of the fuse box in the engine bay, then crank the engine over for about 30 seconds, but give it a break every 5 seconds or so. then after that, put the fuses back in and try again.

If youre still having problems you probably need new or cleaned injectors.

phoenix7

have you checked all your wiring and vaccuum lines? Check the AFM, the Intake tube, the wiring harnesses, etc. etc.

TehMonkay

iTrader: (-1)

Also, you may nee to clean the plugs REALLY well or buy new ones if it was badly flooded.

pfsantos

iTrader: (1)

Simple de-flood procedure:

Open hood, pull EGI Inj. Fuse out. Crank for 15 sec. wait 30 sec. (starter cool down period), crank another 15 sec. Replace fuse. Start engine.

If this doesn't work, do the more extensive de-flooding procedure:

Follow the above, but pull both EGI fuses to disable the ignition also, remove lower spark plugs, then crank engine. This removes the fuel from the chambers. Squirt a tablespoon of oil in each chamber using a syringe or small hose, replace spark plugs and fuses. Start engine.

If this doesn't work, and you smell fuel, make sure you have spark. Also, check compression to see what that's like.

TheMafia

ok well... here's the thing. I've read alot about people flooding their motor but, i made sure that i didn't make the same mistake. I doubled checked that the car was warm before i shut it off.
i don't want to try the de-flooding method to get gas in my oil. I'm sure i didn't flood it.

phoenix7

well, letting it warm up before shutting down isn't the only way to prevent flooding. A bad/leaky injector will do it too.

Have you or have you NOT done the UNFLOODING PRCEDURE (with the EGI fuse, not YOUR idea of preventative measures.)?

what are you talking about getting gas in your oil?

1RevvinFC3S

Not to hijack, but which fuses are the EGI fuses??? I don't want to pull the wrong ones when I try my deflooding again., lol.

phoenix7

EGI for S5 and EGI INJ. for S4 i think

time to go home.

J-Rat

iTrader: (2)

The easier way to unflood is just to pull the plug out of the fuel pump relay which is on the right hand side under the dash by the steering column. Its yellow in color.

Great thing about this method is it only takes the fuel away, and the spark remains active and helps clear the gas.

If your car continues to flood, then you will have to be looking at a fuel cut switch and possibly a compression test.

siguy2k

iTrader: (3)

Also to know if the apex seals are still intact, take the lower(leading) plugs out one at a time and crank it over. It should be 3 even whooshs per revolution of the rotors.

Sideways7

iTrader: (7)

It doesn't matter how careful you are, it can still flood. Just do the unflooding procedures, I am almost 100% sure that is the problem.

glh-fc

if the car still keeps flooding even though it was warm or at normal operating temps when it was shut off,you might wanna have the injectors serviced/cleaned.they might be leaking.even though you turn the car off,a leaky injector will still pour fuel into the motor since the fuel rail is always pressurized.

and another thing,when you take it to a shop,try to take it to someone who is familiar and has been working on rotarys for a while.i think majority of the old members of any rotary forum is more knowledgeable sometimes than a shop depending on the shops experience.