NOPR dude im sorry you totally did not get what was posted and miscued all my ****. Bottom line absolutely wrong about the castings period. who gives a damn about the angle who ever said about making the LIM mate who cares. It matters nothing.

 

uh oh... here comes the master mechanic who, just last year, doesnt even know which hose is for the power brake booster....

 

hmm.. so can you use a FD rear plate on a S5 mani and have the LIM bolt right up to it???

 

everyone here needs to go read the thread in the rotary performance thread called why rear irons crack. The bottom line is there are at least 3 types of S5 rear housings
The one from the early s5's that is identicle in the dowel area to the s4

A reinforced model,

A more reinforced model, which may be identicle to the s6 and up engines

. The best one to get comes on most factory reman mazda's and was available on new engines released begging either 90 or 91. There is also a section with pictures on the rotary resurection site showing all.

Twords the middle of the thread, the use of oversized studs gets reviewed. Some lister claims (in a plausible way) to be running over 800 HP on a GSLSE motor (fully built) with oversized studs.

edit: links for the lazy https://www.rx7club.com/showthread.p...5&page=4&pp=15

http://www.rotaryresurrection.com/2n...ron_break.html

 

no. the studs for the FD UIM are scooted over slightly.

 

s5 and s6 rear iron is definitely NOT the same. you are wrong.

 

Jacobcartmill is right!

 

What in the mother **** are you talking about?

The FD and FC irons/intake ports are COMPLETELY different. Not the port shape on the iron face. THe port runner diameter, placement, angle, etc. are all TOTALLY different. There is at LEAST 1 inch of difference between them...there is NO WAY an FC LIM will bolt to an FD iron and work. No amount of porting the LIM will take care of it either.

Have you ever even built an FD engine?

The dowel surrounding castings are FAR fatter on the FD than on the FC. This goes for front AND rear irons. There are a few FC rear irons floating around with the fat casting like the FD, but most do not have this. None of the front FC irons have a fat casting.

 

iceblue doesnt know ****, what can i say
i called him out months ago, and im calling him out again
3,500 for his rebuild - when he has built like what, 3.7 motors?
yes i said .7 because he didnt know what the **** hes doing.

 

Wow... This went south pretty quick...

 

OK guys, get the thread back on track now.

The iceblue issue has been dealt with for now.

 

Thank you Aaron Cake!

 

Before anyone says I said FC and FD irons are interchangeable, I meant some are identicle, but only in the casting area of the dowell.

 

What in the mother **** are you talking about? You know what the difference between us is? I have talent.

Yup that’s right I posted on the damn port shapes you got that right. No I didn’t post on the runner or the interchangeability get your reading glasses on. I said ehh just port the S5 I never said port to interchange did I no.

[AM 01:25] Iceblue 4evr SX: well correct me please if I am wrong here
[AM 01:27] Iceblue 4evr SX: S5 shared these castings. 1. same as S4. 2. Thicker land. 3. Thicker land with reinforcement around the oil pedastool. 4. Same casting as fd for the dowel
[AM 01:27] Dave Gibson: yup
[AM 01:27] Dave Gibson: i have seen them all
[AM 01:28] Iceblue 4evr SX: Thank you very much

You and Aaron must be a democrat because you like to flip flop sides to benefit yourself. Sadly it won’t work this time.
You are wrong on the dowels. So jacobcartmill take your misinformation and rub it on you real good. Some S5 rear Irons as stated now by slo shared the same S6 casting they have come up from the S5 reman motors and believed to not be present on any production S5 shipped inside an Fc engine bay. Maybe this will help you out.

At least I am the one who has there facts straight. Next time GtoRx7, slpin, frostycrowd, NOPR, know what you’re talking about before posting.

 

we dont need no water let the ************ burn!

 

Wow, iceblue, you are really shooting yourself in the foot here; insulting several respected members of the forum. Honestly, whether you are right or wrong, you are just making yourself look like an *** with your childish attitude.

But the democrat comment showed real intelligence....because briging up something completely irrelevant is a great way to win an argument!

 

I carry no hostility in this thread, but i am going to correct misinformation where it exists in order to help the original poster. please show me one thing that I said anywhere in this thread that is incorrect.

just for fun, I'll review the important stuff for you.

hey lupe has a new car! neat! oh and he has questions about FC engines and FD engines! okay, lets help him out!

this first post, while extremely confusing, is technically somewhat correct assuming you meant the FD plate shared the same casting (particularly in the rear dowel area) as some S5 TII engines. so your point is the S5 TII rear plate is as strong as an FD rear plate if you get the right one with the same casting (which is extremely rare by the way.) great, no argument from me here. however, you dont say particularly that you are talking about the dowel casting area, which leads to much confusion later.

at this point, no one had answered lupe's question about whether or not he could use an FD rear plate, which he definitely cant due to the different runner locations and manifold stud locations. i say that he cant and explain why. nothing is incorrect in this post. i realize now my use of the word 'port' rather than 'runner' caused confusion, but i did say on the 'outside of the iron.'

okay, so you misinterpret what i meant by 'port' and tell me I'm wrong. ah well, no biggy. however, you're still incorrect about the OEM ports mattering, because the difference in runners between FD an S5 TII engines can't just be port matched away. shucks.

i think this post sort of speaks for itself, again i should've said 'runner' to avoid the confusion, but again everything i posted is 100% correct. so maybe now you realize what i meant in the first post, what my whole point was in the first place, and realize that I'm right and we 'move forward amicably'. right?

Another important post, another member (well respected member at that) who understood my post confirms my statements and contributes his own.

again you disagree, the only argument you have here is about dowel pins being bigger, but as i stated in my next post, he meant the dowel pin casting. great, another small typo leads to confusion, but no worries, ill politely clear it up with my next post.


okay, so i point out GTORX7's mistake, and respond to your post. i dont understand what argument you're making in this post, since we seem to agree about the castings. again, everything i post is 100% correct.

you call me out for 'miscueing your ****', still dont know how i did that. i directly quoted your response in its entirety and responded to each sentence. my bad?
the bottom line is i was still correct in what i said about the castings, and you fail to point out what i specifically said thats wrong. you leave me with a blanket 'youre wrong'. what a help. also, the angle of the runner and intake manifold mating are crucial if youd like a running engine. my only point remains that you cant use an FD rear plate on an S5 TII engine because of these problems. so yes, these things DO matter since the original poster wanted to know if he use an FD rear plate on an S5 TII engine.

this post proves that theres obviously still confusion because of all the things you're saying like the runner and manifold stud location 'dont matter'. even though they do of course matter.

an excellent post! i was not aware that there was an S5 TII engine with an FD rear casting. this is the kind of positive information spreading we need. notice how it has a link with pictures. a solid post. so i learned something new on the forum, great! however, this doesnt mean my previous post was incorrect because i simply stated that as far as i knew such an iron did not exist, and that i had never seen one, which makes sense because they are very rare irons. thanks to this link, now i have seen one. cool. i also mentioned in my earlier posts that remans and other things caused much casting confusion, and this guy proved me right. great, so we have a positive spread of information that further clears up the topic.

mr cartmill clears up some confusion with some 100% correct information and agrees with my original post. good post here. another experienced and respected member contributing. radical.

jacobcartmill understandably misinterprets your wildly confusing post. surely you can politely correct him and explain you were talking about the rear dowel pin casting, even though you never mentioned that in the post.

wow! a VERY respected forum member and experienced engine builder comes in an further proves my original point by agreeing with me. Surely you can accept his word, he builds these engines for a living! im sure hes seen billions of rear irons! he mentions how rare the S5 TII engines with FD casting are, which further explains why I'd never heard of them. cool! surely this issue is all cleared up now!


this brings us back to where we started. im still not sure what you are even arguing about, but nothing that I, Gtorx7, Jacobcartmill, or RotaryResurrection posted is incorrect. we all agree about the casting. its funny how you quote a conversation with dave gibson simply to prove something to kevin landers that kevin landers already has on HIS website! this is after you tell him he's talentless. mature.

then you rudely call jacob cartmill wrong, even though he was right. Jacob was not talking about casting, he was talking about the plate in general. yes he quoted your post in which you were referring to the casting, but you never mentioned that in your first post so i blame you for the confusion. all you had to do was explain politely that you meant the casting, with a simple apology for the confusion, but i guess thats not your style.

okay then you say me, gtorx7, and frostycrowd need to get our facts straight before posting, but fail to point out anything any of us said wrong. (maybe because nothing we said was wrong?) as for slpin, you and him can beef it out yourselves, i know nothing about you, your shop, or your history, and quite frankly i dont care.

If you simply take the time to make your posts more thought out and clear instead of assuming we all know what you're talking about, everyone will benefit. your vague detail-less posts only hurt others by confusing them and spreading misinformation. It would be better to not post than to confuse and misinform. also, a mature attitude in handling disagreements will go a long way.

 

To much info but I can work with it.

My post to Lupe was based on any less power potential of the motor as if he found that plate there wouldn’t be any reason why it wont be as strong or as capable. As I only touched on the casting area as I feel that was all that was needed for my post. You are correct I did not answer his ? of can they be interchanged. Well simply yes. Who cares if the runner is shaped different or the stud placement is off. As long as you know this before hand. Just fab a new manifolds no big deal. if something doesn’t work then get in there and make it work.

You are correct on your post conscience as the work port geared me to port shape wile thinking this the word outside lead me to believe the timing bowel. So the point you made was valid but argued incorrectly. I see you posted again well your post did clear the matter up however Aarons incompetent action further pushed the clearance away as I could not see your post to clear the matter up with you properly nor did I notice it before my last post..

GtoRx7 posted and clearly stated the dowels as I was speaking of the entire time surly are different. This was indeed incorrect. As my entire review on this thread has been based on strength potential that if he can find the right S5 Iron he won’t have to worry. We also went as far as to clarifying what causes the braking if how concerned he will have to be with finding this iron.

You said I disagreed again but somehow im wrong as my only argument is the dowel pins. My only argument the entire time was about the dowel pins. GtoRx7 stated both dowel pins and casting while dowel pins could possibly be a misunderstanding I added it to the review of the casting.

You bring up my post about the runner and I stating port them some. You stated now they can’t be port matched to fit the lims. However I was never speaking of matching anything or swapping anything. I saying the runners of FD are bettor big deal just port the S5 ones and they can be just as good if needed. This also means do port work to the runners and manifold if it concerns you that much. So yup more confusion as we both were focused on other parts of the motor and different techniques.

And then you post Kevin comes in however respected you want to image brings up totally bogus in a quite frankly rude arrogant and incompetently attempts to slander me about stuff I never even once posted about. As I said the entire time this has been based on the casting. I never once said the runners were the same or bolt up to S5, people assumed "to make an *** out of me and you" I said this. Then just repeats me but also disproves himself by saying the FD castings are far fatter then the FC. Then says a few fc irons floating around with the fat casting like FD. Well what one is it? I quote Dave Gibson to further clear the matter up as it is seeing people think I am wrong about the castings.

And as it was all my posts were based on the Iron dowel except our confused post on ports. And if you quote me to say something was different as Jacob did between s5 and s6 then it was wrong period. I never once talked or stated about the studs or port placement.

If you want to know my shop come stop buy. At least im not making **** in my garage and building motors with used parts. Then you got Aaron trying to play hot shot tuff guy ill teach you and ban me like I give a flying **** for misinformation when I have still yet to be misinforming. However you and I had a misunderstanding yet others have indeed posted misinformation on the castings. So then to you NOPR I apologies for adding your name into that post and you were correct on your statements.

 

So you buy every part brand new in your rebuilds? Not a single used piece? When you throw away your cores, chuck it my way!

 

wow!
this turned into the biggest pissing war eva!!!


**grabs the popcorn and a beer**

 

And we're done here...