Attaching an Aftermarket Safety Harness???
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Attaching an Aftermarket Safety Harness???
How on earch is it possible to run a 4 or 5 point harness in a stock setup 2nd gen. I'm sure most of you know what I'm talking about. How do I run the 2 shoulder straps? Do I have to buy and aftermarket seat with holes cut out for shoulder straps? I'd appreciate it if someone could get back to me.
Also, what would be some cheap yet comfortable 4 or 5 points harnesses.
Thanks
Also, what would be some cheap yet comfortable 4 or 5 points harnesses.
Thanks
Last edited by emrysdrake; Sep 29, 2005 at 01:46 AM.
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1.......you should not do it on a street car..... if it's not at the right angle to help during an impact/rollover you die.....
2........if you're GOING to do it do it right and get a cage.
3.........if you get a cage you're going to die unless you're wearing a helmet.
conclusion: don't be a ricer cuz ricers= death
if anything upgrade to the NON POWER belts
2........if you're GOING to do it do it right and get a cage.
3.........if you get a cage you're going to die unless you're wearing a helmet.
conclusion: don't be a ricer cuz ricers= death
if anything upgrade to the NON POWER belts
Last edited by Madrx7racer; Sep 29, 2005 at 02:21 AM.
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Yes, you do need to have a seat with the cutouts so the straps do not move around, and there needs to be a horizontal bar running behind the seats to attach the shoulder straps to, either part of a full cage or at least a "harness bar" that is made for that purpose. The bar must be as close to level as possible with the top of your shoulders, so in a crash the shoulders straps pull straight on it. If the bar is too low the straps will basically only pull on the seat, which was not intended to handle that kind of load. Safety is a "system" and you can't just use the parts you want and leave the others out.
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i agree w/ everyone, just get a cage, then u can attach the harness to the cage. hell thats what i plan on doing, but thats way down the road. besides, what do you want a 5 pt harness for? i would only consider it if i spent most of my time above 120mph anyways. **** anything over 70 should kill u right?
Originally Posted by emrysdrake
I autocross my car, and I really need something that could hold me tight to me seat. A 5 point is probably a bit much, but I'm just keeping my options open.
Thanks very much.
Thanks very much.
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Originally Posted by Madrx7racer
1.......you should not do it on a street car..... if it's not at the right angle to help during an impact/rollover you die.....
2........if you're GOING to do it do it right and get a cage.
3.........if you get a cage you're going to die unless you're wearing a helmet.
conclusion: don't be a ricer cuz ricers= death
if anything upgrade to the NON POWER belts
2........if you're GOING to do it do it right and get a cage.
3.........if you get a cage you're going to die unless you're wearing a helmet.
conclusion: don't be a ricer cuz ricers= death
if anything upgrade to the NON POWER belts
This is a very negitive post...
getting a harness is for Racing perpose. So i assume you are either autocrossing, drifting, tracking, or even mountain driving the car.
IT is a must to connect top shoulder straps to a bar that is behind you that is level to your shoulders in chase of an accedent because if you bolt it behind and down the back of the seat it will pull you down and compress your spine. Meaning back problems and a chase of death.
There are many ways to get a bar that is level to your shoulders ( harness bar). YOu can either buy just a harness bar that connects to your b pillars where your stock seat belts connects to on the top.
Get a rollbar or roll cage that comes with a harness bar. Whats good about a roll cage or rollbar is that it stiffens your car up making it handle a lot better. I got an autopower rollbar and its amazing. I use stock seat belts daily and a 5 point harness for track and spirit driving.
if you get a roll cage/ roll bar you should wear a helmet while doing spirit driving because if you hit your head on one of the bars you can die. BUT if you drive normaly daily you dont have to worry about rolling your car and hitting your head on one of the bars because there is no need to spirit drive on public roads.
The likely hood of you hitting your head on roll bar with a harness is slimm you have to really be flying i mean flying in the air and hit the ground and tumble. and if your driving that fast and have your harness you should be wearing a helmet and if you do fly most likely your goin to die from the impact, even with all the safely equipement.
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A year ago when I wanted to put 5points in ym fc I was told ti was danger because of the above reasons and....
the fact that the 5 point harness holds your body in a straight upright position. if you use one without a cage and the car flips over then you are unable to slide sideways if the roof caves in. BAsically if the car flips your gonna be piledriven by the roof/pavement and have a very slim chance of survival.
the fact that the 5 point harness holds your body in a straight upright position. if you use one without a cage and the car flips over then you are unable to slide sideways if the roof caves in. BAsically if the car flips your gonna be piledriven by the roof/pavement and have a very slim chance of survival.
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Originally Posted by k1n0y
This is a very negitive post...
getting a harness is for Racing perpose. So i assume you are either autocrossing, drifting, tracking, or even mountain driving the car.
IT is a must to connect top shoulder straps to a bar that is behind you that is level to your shoulders in chase of an accedent because if you bolt it behind and down the back of the seat it will pull you down and compress your spine. Meaning back problems and a chase of death.
There are many ways to get a bar that is level to your shoulders ( harness bar). YOu can either buy just a harness bar that connects to your b pillars where your stock seat belts connects to on the top.
Get a rollbar or roll cage that comes with a harness bar. Whats good about a roll cage or rollbar is that it stiffens your car up making it handle a lot better. I got an autopower rollbar and its amazing. I use stock seat belts daily and a 5 point harness for track and spirit driving.
if you get a roll cage/ roll bar you should wear a helmet while doing spirit driving because if you hit your head on one of the bars you can die. BUT if you drive normaly daily you dont have to worry about rolling your car and hitting your head on one of the bars because there is no need to spirit drive on public roads.
The likely hood of you hitting your head on roll bar with a harness is slimm you have to really be flying i mean flying in the air and hit the ground and tumble. and if your driving that fast and have your harness you should be wearing a helmet and if you do fly most likely your goin to die from the impact, even with all the safely equipement.
getting a harness is for Racing perpose. So i assume you are either autocrossing, drifting, tracking, or even mountain driving the car.
IT is a must to connect top shoulder straps to a bar that is behind you that is level to your shoulders in chase of an accedent because if you bolt it behind and down the back of the seat it will pull you down and compress your spine. Meaning back problems and a chase of death.
There are many ways to get a bar that is level to your shoulders ( harness bar). YOu can either buy just a harness bar that connects to your b pillars where your stock seat belts connects to on the top.
Get a rollbar or roll cage that comes with a harness bar. Whats good about a roll cage or rollbar is that it stiffens your car up making it handle a lot better. I got an autopower rollbar and its amazing. I use stock seat belts daily and a 5 point harness for track and spirit driving.
if you get a roll cage/ roll bar you should wear a helmet while doing spirit driving because if you hit your head on one of the bars you can die. BUT if you drive normaly daily you dont have to worry about rolling your car and hitting your head on one of the bars because there is no need to spirit drive on public roads.
The likely hood of you hitting your head on roll bar with a harness is slimm you have to really be flying i mean flying in the air and hit the ground and tumble. and if your driving that fast and have your harness you should be wearing a helmet and if you do fly most likely your goin to die from the impact, even with all the safely equipement.
stay away from the lounge..........sorry if I hurt your feelings by my negativity.good write up.........seems familiar though.
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Originally Posted by Madrx7racer
1.......you should not do it on a street car..... if it's not at the right angle to help during an impact/rollover you die.....
2........if you're GOING to do it do it right and get a cage.
3.........if you get a cage you're going to die unless you're wearing a helmet.
conclusion: don't be a ricer cuz ricers= death
if anything upgrade to the NON POWER belts
2........if you're GOING to do it do it right and get a cage.
3.........if you get a cage you're going to die unless you're wearing a helmet.
conclusion: don't be a ricer cuz ricers= death
if anything upgrade to the NON POWER belts
https://www.rx7club.com/showthread.p...highlight=belt
I searched the regular internet to make sure the Volvo information is true, and it is.
http://www.thecarconnection.com/inde...7&article=3920
Also u may have noticed that roll cages are supposed to have PADDING on them so you don't get hurt if you hit ur head. Duh. I would rather hit my head on a padded roll bar than on the stock window or pillar.
Last edited by cardzrule; Oct 1, 2005 at 11:44 AM.
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Originally Posted by Madrx7racer
www.cpracing.ca has them and they are nice....the only beef I have with it is how your head will come in contact with it on impact IF you are tall and have the seat all the way back....
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Is the risk of hitting your head in an FC really that dangerous if you are held in by your harness?
Also, I've been looking around at harness bars(namely the SPARCO model because that is pretty much the only one I find), and it almost seems cheaper just to get a full roll cage installed. Are there cheaper models than the SPARCO? The cheapest I found the SPARCO model was $320. Or would it be possible to build my own harness bar? I'm a mechanical engineering student at Georgia Tech, and I have access to many tools and materials.
Thanks
Also, I've been looking around at harness bars(namely the SPARCO model because that is pretty much the only one I find), and it almost seems cheaper just to get a full roll cage installed. Are there cheaper models than the SPARCO? The cheapest I found the SPARCO model was $320. Or would it be possible to build my own harness bar? I'm a mechanical engineering student at Georgia Tech, and I have access to many tools and materials.
Thanks
Last edited by emrysdrake; Oct 3, 2005 at 11:57 PM.
Originally Posted by cardzrule
Dood thats not true and I did a search on this forum on seat belts and you were even in teh discussion so you should know better than to post that.
https://www.rx7club.com/showthread.p...highlight=belt
I searched the regular internet to make sure the Volvo information is true, and it is.
http://www.thecarconnection.com/inde...7&article=3920
Also u may have noticed that roll cages are supposed to have PADDING on them so you don't get hurt if you hit ur head. Duh. I would rather hit my head on a padded roll bar than on the stock window or pillar.
https://www.rx7club.com/showthread.p...highlight=belt
I searched the regular internet to make sure the Volvo information is true, and it is.
http://www.thecarconnection.com/inde...7&article=3920
Also u may have noticed that roll cages are supposed to have PADDING on them so you don't get hurt if you hit ur head. Duh. I would rather hit my head on a padded roll bar than on the stock window or pillar.
3-point and some 4-point harnesses with DOT approval can be used on a street car because they still give some availability to move around in case of rollover. If you read what the poster asked, he wants to use a 4 or 5 point harness. Most 4 points and ALL 5 points will prevent you to move AT ALL. Thus, a roolover accident can be dangerous, even fatal.
I have the CP racing 4 point roll bar then added another two points making it six. I really like it and I've added foam around the area near any body parts. I use Schroth 4 point harness to match and they work great.
Emrysdrake, if you're really into drifting, autox, etc.. then I would first try getting bucket seats first. Side bolsters on seats help greatly, even with factory seatbelts. I don't think you'll need harness or a cage until you get really competitive and have higher speeds. Since you're doing AutoX with low-moderate speeds, I believe a good non-reclinable bucket seat will work fine for you.
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Originally Posted by Jaiyurai
Most 4 points and ALL 5 points will prevent you to move AT ALL. Thus, a roolover accident can be dangerous, even fatal.
