jester1341

okay so maybe it still works, but my '87 Tii sure as hell bite the dust the other day.

there is a road close to my house that i drive most everyday back and forth[twice]. i know it like the back of my freakin hand!! blah blah blah.....it was slightly rainy and had just started so the road was slick![not that i hadnt driven thru that a million other times] they had latly done construction to widen the road. it turns out the soil was laden with huge rocks, about 2ft. in diameter.....whats more? they lined the side of the road with them with i thin layer of 'dust'.

coming around a particular, familiar turn my front end sliped left[toward the 'dust' and rocks]. by the time i corrected it i had hit about 10ft of dirt which covered my car and a huge rock.

the rock cracked my right rear rim, dented the frame under the pass door[which barely closes now thanks to a large hammer] demolished my front bumper, wrinkled the right rear quater section of the body, and im pretty sure has caused permanent frame damage.

the ride quality is exactlly the same as before the wreck[that is after i removed the bumer and both brake ducts, due to rubbing]

what is the diagnoses......im hoping i can drive it for a while since it still drives fine, but the long term plan is to sell off my parts supra, buy a craper car, buy a nice rx-7 body and a stand alone and swap everything over.

i dunno i just cant see getting rid of my baby!

RETed

I would find out who the dumbfuck construction company that did this.
If the city, county, state did this, file a claim with them to fix your car.
The construction company should also have claims procedures who stupid **** they do.
If they are hardasses about the whole thing, threaten lawsuit...


-Ted

Tofuball

^ Do it! Your car might not be the last!

OverDriven

Something doesn't make sense...how did your front end "slip"? Specially if you were driving at normal speeds? The back end is one thing, but how does the front end of a RWD car just suddenly slip? Little more to this than you are saying?

bcool

^ have you ever driven an FC before or any car for that matter?

neptuneRX

he's right, it doesnt matter where the power comes from. It could be FWD, RWD or AWD, any tire can slip.

incubuseva

iTrader: (13)

first thing: do what they said. sue their ***!

second thing: grab a shoe polish marker or something to write on whats left of your car and write in big letters "real battle damage" with arrows pointing to all the boo-boos. that always helps lol

OverDriven

I own an 87 N/A and an 87 TII. I've never had the front end just slip out on me under normal driving on a road. Thats why I'm asking if a little spirited driving was involved. After looking at your profile...you're a 17 year old with 125 posts, 85% of which are in the lounge. So FC expert, I'de like to see you explain how the front end just slips out under normal driving.

-Joe

aznpoopy

i agree. it does sound weird. my best guess is he oversteered and the front of his car pivoted left (towards the inside) while the rear pivoted to the right. then he crashed into the inside of the turn.

Froggmann

I take it you have never driven a car with a lightened front end (Alum Hood) or one with LSD? This happens quite often with LSDs and Lockers basicly the turning front wheels lose traction and the LSD takes over and usually runs you straight into something. I know because I have a HD LSD in my Bronco and even withthe truck weighing in at about 5400 Lbs. the LSD like to sometimes override my front wheels especially when they hit road paint in the rain. Believe it or not it doesn't take too much to make a car hydroplane and it takes almost nothing to make a FC hydroplane.

OverDriven

Like I said...I own a TII...aluminum hood and clutch type LSD.

-Joe

niburu

iTrader: (1)

What's he gonna sue about? HE lost control and drove off the road, what if there were trees there, would you sue because the highway department didn't remove them? The large rocks with the thin layer of dirt are there so the rain water drains off the road properly, and like he was saying they were still in the middle of widening the road. Usually ya slow down in construction zones.

kboneRX7

His front end could have easily sliped on some gravel or rocks over the concret, he did say it was a construction zone, hell , could have been marbles that he sliped on.

kboneRX7

*-*_*-Construction could have left something on the ro-Ad also that could have made this happen!

niburu

iTrader: (1)

and i quote

"they had latly done construction to widen the road. "

Jester1341 will have to give us some more detail on the road conditions
but I don't think you'd be able to sue in this situation

sounds mostly like he slipped on a slick wet road.

digitalsolo

iTrader: (2)

That's not really gonna set ya up for a law suit... what it will do is teach you to keep it slow through possibly damaging conditions.

jester1341

1st off say what you will but this was not driver error[not at least to begin] i admit maybe i could have saved it with quicker action.......as i have saved my car from the same situation at lest a few other times. i was not speeding thru the mentioned area......the speed limit is 35 and i was doing at the most 37.

it had just started raining about 10 mins before so the roads had that wet greasy appeal to them.

i doubt i could sue, even so i doubt i would. yes they had lately widened the road but have been done for over a month.

i doubt the 'rocks' are for road drainage as they are embeded in a ledge about a foot and a half high on the side of the road[where i came to rest]


i plan to, if needed, have the frame streched to straghten it[which i doubt it needs]. buy another one down the road with a good body and swap everything over with a standalone system. maybe ill buy a 'gas conserving' car untill then...... a friend and myself may be about to purchase a large parking lot style lot with a huge two car garage.

i took several pictures of the car right after and after i got home.....once i get them develpoed ill post a few, they should help understand.

PureSephiroth

i've had the front end of my car slip out from under me. Of course that was at an autocross when I was putting the brakes nearly to the floor and turning at the same time....

Falcoms

Ya know, I am not a person to attack other peoples driving abilities or moves, unless they directly effect me, but I would like to give him the benifit of the doubt here. Being that they were just finished widening the road and the sides of the road had stones to keep the dirt from slipping (from what he describes, a 1 foot tall embunkment of dirt is on each side of the road, so that is where this statement comes from), I also belive that the road, being fresh asphault, I assume, was nice and oily, and the rain just started a few minutes before, I belive that he simply had the front end step out on him while either decelerating, downshifting, or slight braking through the corner. With the given circumstances and the end result, I have to say that I don't think that it was the construction company's fault, being that the stones are there to keep the ensuing mudslide from pouring onto the road in a heavy rain, and they have to use oil to make tar to make asphault roads, so I think that they are out of the possibility of blame. The city, county, state, or whoever is doing this is out of blame unless the stone fell on your car while you were driving down the road or they allowed somthing to happen that was inproper and inspected and they certified it. I am sure you can see where this is going, but I think that no matter how much you don't want to admit to it, I would have to say that you knew the OLD road like the back of your hand. When new pavement goes down, so does your knowledge of the area you are driving. I would have to say you just got greedy and got too far out of shape to recover. The stone falling on the car was because you caused the dirt to collapse under it (which is what it try's to prevent), and that wouldn't have happened if you didn't hit the dirt, so I would have to say driver error is the cause here.

Now, being that I didn't see the actual accident, much less the scene, and I made a LOT of inferences here, I may be misunderstanding, but not to be mean, but you just gotta take it easier through those area's, you just don't know what they changed. Now, don't think I am getting on your case about this or attacking you, I am just trying to help you so you don't run into this (pun fully intended) problem again. I can assure you that I have made my fair share of F**k-up's in my short driving experiance (I'm only 17 too) but I have never had a problem with this being that I ALWAYS drive a new road once or twice to find out what to expect, even if it is just a repaved road I drive every day. I found out that they put in a major dip in the new paving job that at about 80mph, I get airborne, so you gotta get a feel for the road before DRIVING the road

Really, what I am trying to say, don't beat yourself up, just learn from it and DON'T DO THAT AGAIN!!!

xvampyrex

I completely agree with Falcoms. Dont beat yourself up for it. I hope you find a good body soon for the swap. Goodluck with that.

niburu

iTrader: (1)

I drove a car up a tree once an flipped it.
Fortunately it was only a Ford EXP and I was asleep at the time.
Then there was my moms civic I spun into a tree because didn't wanna hit the guy
that stoped dead in front of me (his brake lights didn't work apparently).
And then there was the time I side swiped a semi but that was with a big old 70 buick.
And then there was the time........the list goes on.
Like Falcoms said "DON'T DO THAT AGAIN!!!"
Live and learn, and at this point it doesn't really matter who ot what's or fault.
Oh and NEVER turn your heat on when driving home on a cool summer evening
after working 2 shifts. (refer to line 1)

jester1341

im not beating myself up.......i dont blame the road crew......i agree i went further than i could recover, but maintain the point that i was not speeding........and for the record the rock did not "fall" on my car. i passed over top of it hence the damage to the bottom and my cracked wheel

thanks for the posts........and i also hope to get another body, untill then ill drive mine still.

I Hate Ricers

Hahahaha haha
Bcool got completely OWNED.
Any how, too bad for your car mate. On the bright side there are plenty of others out there!

-grant