patman

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not very freakin many...rural WV...

NZConvertible

Exactly the same thing will happen with an air-air intercooler. If you're driving around, the aluminuium will heat up. All intercoolers work as heat sinks, absorbing the heat from the air and getting warmer as a result.

RETed

So what is the superiority of the A2W then?
You're adding complexity into the system which is unnecessary.
I haven't heard ANY of the pro-A2W contigent give a valid argument for this for a street driven vehicle.

I don't get your debate.  You're basically saying it's the same thing, so why are you pushing so hard for the A2W?


-Ted

NZConvertible

I'm not pushing for either; I'm just pointing out what I believe to be incorrect info. Both have there advantages and disadvantages, and will appeal to different people for different reasons.

Packaging is one of the big advantages of air-water as you mentioned, and I believe this particularly applies to the FC. Because the car was never designed to have a FMIC, running pipes to one is a pain in the ***, requiring lots of stuff to be relocated or removed, and holes cut in steel. An air-water IC does not have that problem.

While air-water is obviously more complex than air-air, it's hardly what you'd call complex. Heat exchanger, radiator, pump, tank and some hoses. That's no big deal to me personally.
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RETed

Oh, we're not cutting a Ferrari classic.

See, YOU might think it's not a big deal, but for most people it is.

I still don't see the advantage of it with the added HASSLE of of another cooling system (hoses, heat exchanger, pump).

IMO, it should not be used on a street vehicle, period.

If a front-mount IC intimidates you, you shouldn't be ******* with a turbo car in the first place.



-Ted

NZConvertible

A FMIC doesn't intimidate me in the least; I just like to consider options. Despite your insistence that they won't work on a street car, they do work just fine if done right. However I don't think we're going to convince each other here.

For anyone interested, here's a link to a guy who converted his WRX to air-water. Note the problems he had with an undersized radiator and insufficient water, like I mentioned earlier.

http://www.netcomuk.co.uk/~gavinp/airwater.htm

patman

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if i were building a car that would be on and off boost..id go with a2w..simply because it would be easier for me as i could do all the work myself (no pipes to be bent, or holes to cut..although i could cut the holes if i wanted) and because it works better for a on/off boost application IMO. however..considering how i drive, RETed is right..i would keep the water too hot without a chance to cool.

the idea is that a2w keeps a more stable temp all the time, rather than a2a which can spike. so if you have enough lag time to cool the water in between boosts..a2w is good. if you dont have that lag time, it sucks.

pat

patman

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anyway, i think i'll hijack my own thread... what kind of car should i steal the intercooler from? isuzu NPR? or a volvo? or something else? i can have one made if i need to, but id rather get a stocker from my cheap junkyard..then maybe upgrade later...

pat