cpubugs

Not true, I think it is just a newer concept and it has not been put to the test. I am telling you there was a time when coilovers where talked about in the same manner. My only concern would be would be the floating from it being rubber.

gxlspeeder

Any expert opinions on how airbags would affect drag racing?

WonkoTheSane

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CpuBugs - Relax. It's only a forum. As people like ReTed have stated, there's a reason that Airbag suspensions aren't used for performance. Air (pnuematic) is simply slower/less responsive than a hydraulic system. The goal of a performance suspension is react to changes in the road/environment as quickly and predicatably as possible. The future of suspension technology isn't in air bags, they react slower than hydraulic. The future is in electronic/magnetic shocks, I think.

I really want to see what people like Bose are going to do with their new suspension setups, that's be awesome to change your suspension stiffness electronically, and literally change it electronically

synesthete

Someday maybe airbags will be a viable option on new cars that are designed to use them. If you understand the physics and want to try rigging it on a rx7 then good luck to you. Personally I would wait until cars come out that have computers with airbag integrated traction controll.

I have a strong suspicion the technology needs to be much more complex to perform as well as a coilover, and i stated 1 reason why. One of the big reasons the rx7 handles (and accelerates) so well is because it wieghs so little. That is why i see adding a much heavier system to an old (some would say underpowered) car a luxury mod, it would have to truly perform better to accomplish the same.
probably FEEL pretty stable in a straight line tho.

synesthete

There are no airbag experts for rx7s as far as i know.
I imagine they would keep the car pretty stable in a straight line. I would expect a slight loss on the 1/4 due to extra weight though.

cpubugs

I am relaxed I am on a lot of forums and have been since the BBS days so I do not like it when people chime in with only negativeity Or to hijack a thread.

Synesthete, and any one else who is approaching this with an objective and fact based response. My next question would be is does any one use the adjustable coil overs that have the controls in the cab? I saw them somewhere and would like to look in to them further.

gxlspeeder

A friend of mine has them on his hillclimb/autox mkiv supra, pretty neat deal. I had the chance to mess around with them and you can definetly tell a difference in settings. He had the Tein setup btw.

NZConvertible

I can't believe anyone would seriously considered air bags for a sports car. You'd have to have rocks in your head to think this could improve handling over a performance spring/shock set-up. Even if you don't understand why not, the considerable extra weight alone is obviously detrimental to handling. You can't make up for that by adding power!

Cars with factory air bag suspension system have been around for a few years not, but you'll notice that all of them are large luxury sedans or GT coupes, not sports car. Ever wonder why?

RETed

I think the burden of proof is on you.
All the conventional wisdom points to hydraulic dampers as being superior.
So far, I think you're the only one stating otherwise?
Why should we give you the benefit of the doubt?

I've been doing this since 300 baud modems back in 1984...
What's your point?


-Ted

cpubugs

I didn't state ANY facts because I didn't have any... And benefit of the doubt? I didn't ask for any benefits. All I asked for is people to provide facts which several have stepped up and done.

Now as for my point with the BBS days was simply to say I see people doing this whole noob hating thing for a while. Nothing more.


----Back to the topic.

RETed

Name one racing series that uses pneumatic dampers?


-Ted

cpubugs

Ted, perhaps you need to read through the thread again... This was a threadasking questions, recommendations. No one is saying anyone in any racing series is using them. Ok? Your beating a dead horse.

SuperRotorMan

had a buddy who rode with air ride... OMG it was the most uncomfortable cars to ride in ever... i dont like it at all, as far as im concerned air ride is the poor mans hydrolics.... if u wanna go up and down just go all out ang get some hydro's

cpubugs

Yeah, i have been looking for quite some time now, and I am tarting to see things like that. Looking at large dirt trucks they all run air suspension. i'd still like to see them perfect the system I think it has some potential, in things other than lowriders and big sedans. But who knows... Maybe these electric/magnetic ones are the new wave.

RETed

It seems like you're the one that's beating the dead horse.
I asked that question to prove a point.
If pnematic dampers were so good, why aren't they used in serious racing?
My point?
They're NOT.


-Ted

RETed

If you're building your FC to do mud bogs and rock climbing, I guess you have an option.
Most of us FC owners don't build our cars to do that.


Carrera makes those things.


-Ted