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Old 12-07-07, 01:33 PM
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Ah, BP's...should've known.


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Old 12-07-07, 06:14 PM
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Why is it that whenever these guys make a list they seem so smart and then I read the words "MegaSquirt" at the bottom of their posts and I get really sad.

Not to knock it for homebrew projects, but man, if I were building a 500+ hp car I would use a real EMS.
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Originally Posted by Aaron Cake
Were we not supposed to sit down and discuss your plans? 600HP on a 13B is nontrivial, and just plain crazy on a street car. 400 HP is easy.
ya i was thinking about that last night as well lol, i think 400hp would do good/safer and last longer. il pm you about a date to meet some day Aron, plus i think il just run stock boost for the first year till its broken in.
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Originally Posted by evileagle
Why is it that whenever these guys make a list they seem so smart and then I read the words "MegaSquirt" at the bottom of their posts and I get really sad.

Not to knock it for homebrew projects, but man, if I were building a 500+ hp car I would use a real EMS.
People that say such things just don't trust their own work thats all. Its like saying people that want that much HP, should get a real engine builder to port and build their engine or else it'll blow up. Or kinda like the saying an AMD processor isn't as good as a Pentium processor. They will both do the exact same job just some cheaper than other. As long as you can provide a clean signal to the standalone then a computer will calculate what it was "programmed" to do. Its not in the standalone, it's in the tuner that the problem arise...

Now don't get me wrong more sure some of the high end provide more options (drive by wire, more injector capability, ...)but for a 500ish hp figure the megasquirt has all the capabilities to do such that.

On that note - Craiger - the MS2 is now capable of handling the rotary. Aaron just finished fixing a couple mistakes I did with the second timer in there and bench tested it as fully working.

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Old 12-08-07, 11:06 AM
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Originally Posted by immanuel__7
ya i was thinking about that last night as well lol, i think 400hp would do good/safer and last longer. il pm you about a date to meet some day Aron, plus i think il just run stock boost for the first year till its broken in.
This is in a 1st gen, right? A 400HP 1st gen is a very fast car. The last big turbo 1st gen I drove (biggish T4, high compression 13B with street port, Megasquirt) made about 300HP at low boost and would turn the car sideways at any speed. Getting that power to the ground in the 1st gen chassis is hard.

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Why is it that whenever these guys make a list they seem so smart and then I read the words "MegaSquirt" at the bottom of their posts and I get really sad.
Not to knock it for homebrew projects, but man, if I were building a 500+ hp car I would use a real EMS.
The Megasquirt is a real ECU. It's far more capable then some of the common ECUs used in the RX-7 world. The issue is that a lot of people gravitate toward it entirely on price, which is the wrong reason. It's a compelling reason, but the wrong one. The Megasquirt is for a certain type of person and requires some knowledge that the off the shelf systems don't.

The Megasquirt seems to run this thing just fine:
http://www.diyautotune.com/cars/cust...studebaker.htm

Old 12-08-07, 12:59 PM
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Do the 13b-re. I'm doing this swap in my fc. There is an amazing difference between 13b-re ports and 13bt ports. The re has bigger ports than the rew.


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Do the 13b-re. I'm doing this swap in my fc. There is an amazing difference between 13b-re ports and 13bt ports. The re has bigger ports than the rew.
Do you know how much bigger? Is it a big difference? Just curious.
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The intakes flow 20% more. The fd primary runners are smaller than the secondary just like the tii intakes where as the re are all the same size. I don't have a fd intake laying around to compare to I just know they're bigger.
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Originally Posted by Turbo II Rotor
Do the 13b-re. I'm doing this swap in my fc. There is an amazing difference between 13b-re ports and 13bt ports. The re has bigger ports than the rew.]
I would call that a plus but not the main reason to do a RE or REW...... I think the biggest gain to me would be the strength in the dowel castings of the RE/REW vs the bt...
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Acquiring new engine i'm pretty sure is not on our list. We have a budget to play with and that pretty much will rule that out. Thanks for the opinions and will keep an open mind to it.
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man i cant sleep at night just thinking of all the things i can do with this lol
but for i still have to keep working 50 hours per week, to save up for march 2008.
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has any one use pineappleracing rebuild kits? sounds like a good kit and seams to be the best price out there?
http://www.pineappleracing.com/index...PROD&ProdID=52
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The Pineapple kit has their own "heavy duty" water seals. Do a search and decide for yourself if you want to use them. FYI, Mazda has a decent price on the gasket set, you can probably reuse your side seals and oil o-ring carriers, as well as most of the springs. Then get a set of apex seals and you're ready to build...
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Originally Posted by RETed
No.

"Stupid Canadiens..."


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What I wanna know, is why does this guy say "No." and only "No." to every post that's a project that could be difficult or expensive??
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Originally Posted by NM_Shell
What I wanna know, is why does this guy say "No." and only "No." to every post that's a project that could be difficult or expensive??
Because people ask 1000000 questions about things they have neither the technical knowledge or funds to complete.
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Originally Posted by NM_Shell
What I wanna know, is why does this guy say "No." and only "No." to every post that's a project that could be difficult or expensive??
Let's see a show of hands how many FC owners that have broken 600hp at the wheels...

ZERO.


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Originally Posted by RETed
Let's see a show of hands how many FC owners that have broken 600hp at the wheels...

ZERO.


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Uh.. Soul Assassin did it. And I am creeping up on it. I went 490 on the T-61, and I havent dynoed on the 67 yet. Not too mention I am going to be transitioning to the Garrett 40-94 relatively soon.

Not too mention those B-Port numbers are ugly! I am making almost the same amount of torque he is with 125 less HP..
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Originally Posted by J-Rat
Uh.. Soul Assassin did it.
Wow, talk about blast from the past...
Too bad he's not a current member, and that car got all parted out and caught in a nasty dispute.
That don't count.

I forgot about crispeed since he technically owns an FC...
Oops, sorry crispeed!


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Originally Posted by RETed
Wow, talk about blast from the past...
Too bad he's not a current member, and that car got all parted out and caught in a nasty dispute.

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Yeah, I know. I was involved in that dispute. His old radiator continues to cool my car today.

But it DOES count!
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Originally Posted by Aaron Cake
The Pineapple kit has their own "heavy duty" water seals. Do a search and decide for yourself if you want to use them. FYI, Mazda has a decent price on the gasket set, you can probably reuse your side seals and oil o-ring carriers, as well as most of the springs. Then get a set of apex seals and you're ready to build...
OPPS SAM!! MARTIN!!! we kind of put them in the green box, all the seals and stuff i know i should have kept them err...
well i found a new place for a kit its 1000$ from http://rotaryaviation.com/Foreign_Overhaul.htm
seams like an ok kit, any one use this kit yet ppl in the uk seam to love it. so far its the chepest kit i seen but dos not men its the best, il have to go talk to the dealer this week some time see what the funny ppl there can get me lol,
lets just hope i dont get the "I have to call mazda canada il call you back" case the last time i heard that was in 2005 im still waiting for a call back
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I'll swear by the super seals. Mine took a 20psi boost spike with audible detonation like a champ, and Bruce Turrentine (who helped develop them) built my motor. Any hard seal though is not going to be good for the life of the rotor housings though, at least compared to OEM.
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to get those kind of numbers and make it reliable is a very sketchy thing.

in any application when pushing the limits set up and consistency are the main factors that make up reliability. in short, even a semi dirty fuel filter can cause your engine to fly out the window, keeping your fuel setup completely consistent for any real amount of time is a real accomplishment and why a good quality ECU like a Motec is what most people will aim for, unless you are a tuner and always watching your guages that is.
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