2nd Generation Specific (1986-1992) 1986-1992 Discussion including performance modifications and technical support sections.

5mpg off on my speedometer

Thread Tools
 
Search this Thread
 
Old Aug 18, 2008 | 02:38 PM
  #1  
fredox19's Avatar
Thread Starter
Senior Member
Tenured Member 15 Years
iTrader: (8)
 
Joined: Mar 2007
Posts: 440
Likes: 0
From: scranton Pa
PA 5mpg off on my speedometer

I want to know how to fix that. I when to the 1/4 track and notice it was off. Then I checked with a radar and it 5mpg off. It's a 88T2 with stock rims tire size is 225/50/16. the engine and tranny is from a jspec, but dont know if that should make a different since it's the same.
Reply
Old Aug 18, 2008 | 02:43 PM
  #2  
87 t-66's Avatar
not a drifter
Tenured Member: 20 Years
iTrader: (133)
 
Joined: Jun 2004
Posts: 9,337
Likes: 6
From: Columbus, Ohio
you speedometer is 5 miles per gallon off?
Reply
Old Aug 18, 2008 | 02:49 PM
  #3  
g14novak's Avatar
The Doctor
Tenured Member 10 Years
iTrader: (1)
 
Joined: Apr 2008
Posts: 1,185
Likes: 0
From: Cedar Rapids, IA
at what speed was it 5mph off? the stock t2 rims are 15's i believe, not 16's. so at the 1/4 mile, doing 100mph, it being 5mph off is a possiblity.
Reply
Old Aug 18, 2008 | 02:51 PM
  #4  
fredox19's Avatar
Thread Starter
Senior Member
Tenured Member 15 Years
iTrader: (8)
 
Joined: Mar 2007
Posts: 440
Likes: 0
From: scranton Pa
Originally Posted by 87 t-66
you speedometer is 5 miles per gallon off?
lo...lol..lol... sorry guys..lol..mph..
I have the stock t2 rims they are 16inch
Reply
Old Aug 18, 2008 | 02:51 PM
  #5  
clokker's Avatar
Cake or Death?
Tenured Member 10 Years
iTrader: (2)
 
Joined: Jan 2007
Posts: 10,249
Likes: 64
From: Mile High
Speedos can be calibrated.
Reply
Old Aug 18, 2008 | 02:53 PM
  #6  
1MZFE's Avatar
1988 Mazda RX-7 SE
Tenured Member 15 Years
iTrader: (9)
 
Joined: Dec 2006
Posts: 1,307
Likes: 0
From: Beaverton, OR
Get it calibrated, my old Avalon was 4mph off, got me a ticket even.
Reply
Old Aug 18, 2008 | 03:04 PM
  #7  
87 t-66's Avatar
not a drifter
Tenured Member: 20 Years
iTrader: (133)
 
Joined: Jun 2004
Posts: 9,337
Likes: 6
From: Columbus, Ohio
i believe there is a POT on the back of the cluster to calibrate it.
Reply
Old Aug 18, 2008 | 03:30 PM
  #8  
fredox19's Avatar
Thread Starter
Senior Member
Tenured Member 15 Years
iTrader: (8)
 
Joined: Mar 2007
Posts: 440
Likes: 0
From: scranton Pa
Thanks guys
Reply
Old Aug 18, 2008 | 03:36 PM
  #9  
clokker's Avatar
Cake or Death?
Tenured Member 10 Years
iTrader: (2)
 
Joined: Jan 2007
Posts: 10,249
Likes: 64
From: Mile High
Originally Posted by 87 t-66
i believe there is a POT on the back of the cluster to calibrate it.
I don't think so.
Typically, calibration involves (after putting the car on rollers to see exactly how far off it is) interposing a small gearbox between the gauge and the cable.
It's a fairly pricey operation too.
Reply
Old Aug 18, 2008 | 05:08 PM
  #10  
fredox19's Avatar
Thread Starter
Senior Member
Tenured Member 15 Years
iTrader: (8)
 
Joined: Mar 2007
Posts: 440
Likes: 0
From: scranton Pa
Originally Posted by clokker
I don't think so.
Typically, calibration involves (after putting the car on rollers to see exactly how far off it is) interposing a small gearbox between the gauge and the cable.
It's a fairly pricey operation too.
Damn then never mind, thought it was a quick fix. But thanks anyways guys
Reply
Old Aug 18, 2008 | 05:09 PM
  #11  
NCross's Avatar
I have a rotary addiction
Tenured Member: 15 Years
iTrader: (18)
 
Joined: Jun 2006
Posts: 4,815
Likes: 24
From: Columbia, Tennessee
To the OP...

Stock tire size is not 205-50-16. It is 205-55-16.

This is your problem.
Reply
Old Aug 18, 2008 | 05:11 PM
  #12  
NCross's Avatar
I have a rotary addiction
Tenured Member: 15 Years
iTrader: (18)
 
Joined: Jun 2006
Posts: 4,815
Likes: 24
From: Columbia, Tennessee
Originally Posted by g14novak
at what speed was it 5mph off? the stock t2 rims are 15's i believe, not 16's. so at the 1/4 mile, doing 100mph, it being 5mph off is a possiblity.
Stock T2 wheels are 16x7.
Reply
Old Aug 18, 2008 | 05:21 PM
  #13  
87 t-66's Avatar
not a drifter
Tenured Member: 20 Years
iTrader: (133)
 
Joined: Jun 2004
Posts: 9,337
Likes: 6
From: Columbus, Ohio
Originally Posted by clokker
I don't think so.
Typically, calibration involves (after putting the car on rollers to see exactly how far off it is) interposing a small gearbox between the gauge and the cable.
It's a fairly pricey operation too.
maybe i'm thinking of the tach then.
Reply
Old Aug 18, 2008 | 05:24 PM
  #14  
Sideways7's Avatar
Lives on the Forum
Tenured Member: 20 Years
Liked
iTrader: (7)
 
Joined: Dec 2003
Posts: 6,598
Likes: 10
From: Temple, Texas (Central)
Originally Posted by NCross
To the OP...

Stock tire size is not 205-50-16. It is 205-55-16.

This is your problem.
Bingo.
My car is actually 5 off at 60 (going 55 when speedo says 60) but I have stock sized tires. Oh well.
Reply
Old Aug 18, 2008 | 06:10 PM
  #15  
clokker's Avatar
Cake or Death?
Tenured Member 10 Years
iTrader: (2)
 
Joined: Jan 2007
Posts: 10,249
Likes: 64
From: Mile High
Originally Posted by 87 t-66
maybe i'm thinking of the tach then.
Probably.
Being electronic, it would make sense the tach could be adjusted via a pot...the speedo, being mechanical, would need a gearing change.
Reply
Old Aug 18, 2008 | 06:14 PM
  #16  
Valkyrie's Avatar
Lives on the Forum
Tenured Member: 20 Years
Liked
Loved
Community Favorite
 
Joined: Oct 2004
Posts: 5,150
Likes: 167
From: Japanabama
5 mph off isn't a big deal as long as you're going slower than it says you are.

Just get a GPS and use that as your speedo.

Mines about 4 MPH off because I've got 225/50/15s on my NA.
Reply
Old Aug 18, 2008 | 10:19 PM
  #17  
Saavedro88's Avatar
Camshaft
Tenured Member: 15 Years
iTrader: (1)
 
Joined: Feb 2008
Posts: 1,092
Likes: 3
From: N. Chesterfield, VA
Originally Posted by clokker
I don't think so.
Typically, calibration involves (after putting the car on rollers to see exactly how far off it is) interposing a small gearbox between the gauge and the cable.
It's a fairly pricey operation too.
Maybe for some cars, but not for RX-7's. I just had mine calibrated to get out of a speeding ticket, and they just replaced the speedo gear inside the tranny with one that had more teeth or was smaller or something...
Reply
Old Aug 19, 2008 | 04:40 AM
  #18  
fredox19's Avatar
Thread Starter
Senior Member
Tenured Member 15 Years
iTrader: (8)
 
Joined: Mar 2007
Posts: 440
Likes: 0
From: scranton Pa
Originally Posted by Saavedro88
Maybe for some cars, but not for RX-7's. I just had mine calibrated to get out of a speeding ticket, and they just replaced the speedo gear inside the tranny with one that had more teeth or was smaller or something...
How much was it?
Reply
Old Aug 19, 2008 | 07:15 AM
  #19  
clokker's Avatar
Cake or Death?
Tenured Member 10 Years
iTrader: (2)
 
Joined: Jan 2007
Posts: 10,249
Likes: 64
From: Mile High
Originally Posted by Saavedro88
Maybe for some cars, but not for RX-7's. I just had mine calibrated to get out of a speeding ticket, and they just replaced the speedo gear inside the tranny with one that had more teeth or was smaller or something...
Actually, we're both right.
Mazda- like every other manufacturer- makes a range of speedo drive gears (in this case, 17-23- see here) which are interchangeable and accommodate different wheel size/tranny/differential combinations.
If you are lucky, a simple drive gear change will get you in the ballpark/close enough.

This is not the same as calibrating the speedo though.
In the real world, speedometers are at best pretty inaccurate. There is usually one speed they are dead right at and increasingly wrong both above and below that one area. The additional gearbox method will widen the range at which the speedo is "pretty close", but due to the nature of the beast, it'll never be perfect all through the range.

In my misspent youth I worked for a company that installed the special equipment for State Patrol pursuit vehicles and the speedo gearbox was part of the package. Of course, with the widespread use of radar, cops no longer rely so much on their speedometers, so this may not be done anymore.

For the average guy, a few passes on the Interstate with a stopwatch using the mile markers will give a fairly close idea of where your speedo sits, accuracy-wise.
Make multiple passes at the same speed and try a few different speeds (say, 50, 70 and 90mph) and you'll end up with a passable notion of what your speedo says compared to the real speed.

In the end however, if a cop wants you, he'll get you, and in most cases there ain't a lot you can do about it.
Reply
Old Aug 19, 2008 | 07:07 PM
  #20  
Saavedro88's Avatar
Camshaft
Tenured Member: 15 Years
iTrader: (1)
 
Joined: Feb 2008
Posts: 1,092
Likes: 3
From: N. Chesterfield, VA
Originally Posted by fredox19
How much was it?
Bout $200.

So clokker, is my speedo not actually technically "Legally" calibrated?
Reply
Old Aug 19, 2008 | 08:55 PM
  #21  
clokker's Avatar
Cake or Death?
Tenured Member 10 Years
iTrader: (2)
 
Joined: Jan 2007
Posts: 10,249
Likes: 64
From: Mile High
I'm not sure what "legally calibrated" is.
Last time I had a speedo done- probably going on eight years now- I got a certificate showing the correction that had been applied and a graph that displayed the accuracy from 30 to 90mph.
I never had occasion to use it in a court and frankly, I don't think it would have done much good anyway.
When you've been charged, it's your classic "He said, she said" standoff and courts are predisposed to believe the officer.
Especially if the officer has radar evidence.

You can always try the "Let's see the radar's certification/calibration" ploy but your best hope is the cop doesn't show up at all.

Far better than a "calibrated" speedo would be some GPS proof, a method that I'll bet will become more popular in the future.
Reply
Old Aug 19, 2008 | 10:16 PM
  #22  
Saavedro88's Avatar
Camshaft
Tenured Member: 15 Years
iTrader: (1)
 
Joined: Feb 2008
Posts: 1,092
Likes: 3
From: N. Chesterfield, VA
Originally Posted by clokker
I'm not sure what "legally calibrated" is.
Last time I had a speedo done- probably going on eight years now- I got a certificate showing the correction that had been applied and a graph that displayed the accuracy from 30 to 90mph.
I never had occasion to use it in a court and frankly, I don't think it would have done much good anyway.
When you've been charged, it's your classic "He said, she said" standoff and courts are predisposed to believe the officer.
Especially if the officer has radar evidence.

You can always try the "Let's see the radar's certification/calibration" ploy but your best hope is the cop doesn't show up at all.

Far better than a "calibrated" speedo would be some GPS proof, a method that I'll bet will become more popular in the future.
Yeah that's the same sheet of paper I got, the same one that (partially) got me out of a speeding ticket. But I don't think I ever had that cable adjuster thingy installed that you were talking about. Does this mean I got shortchanged? Or not as excused as I should have been?
Reply
Old Aug 20, 2008 | 05:55 AM
  #23  
clokker's Avatar
Cake or Death?
Tenured Member 10 Years
iTrader: (2)
 
Joined: Jan 2007
Posts: 10,249
Likes: 64
From: Mile High
Originally Posted by Saavedro88
Yeah that's the same sheet of paper I got, the same one that (partially) got me out of a speeding ticket. But I don't think I ever had that cable adjuster thingy installed that you were talking about. Does this mean I got shortchanged? Or not as excused as I should have been?
The "cable adjuster thingy" is actually just a small gearbox that goes between the cable and the speedometer itself. It is a further, more precise adjustment to the gearing (remember, the speedometer is a completely mechanical device, not terribly unlike a clock) that drives the unit.
Obviously, your people did not feel it was necessary (or possible).

I don't know how a "calibrated" speedo would get you out of/excused from a speeding ticket- it's main function is to KEEP you from getting caught in the first place.
Reply
Old Aug 20, 2008 | 09:42 AM
  #24  
HAILERS's Avatar
HAILERS
Tenured Member 10 Years
 
Joined: May 2001
Posts: 20,563
Likes: 27
From: FORT WORTH, TEXAS,USA
Originally Posted by 87 t-66
you speedometer is 5 miles per gallon off?
Hee, hee. Giggle, giggle.
Reply
Old Aug 20, 2008 | 09:52 AM
  #25  
kborro01's Avatar
Senior Member
Tenured Member 10 Years
iTrader: (3)
 
Joined: May 2007
Posts: 316
Likes: 0
From: San Diego
The problem with relying on GPS as your speedo is it is a lagging indicator depending on how fast your GPS updates your positions. Most low end GPS systems update about once every 45 to 60 seconds.
Reply



All times are GMT -5. The time now is 02:53 PM.