sil80drifter

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hmm... from the looks of it, it was about 50/50 in terms of the fuckups the car had. Sandor's were more obvious, the previous owners not as much.
Example:
Sandor had sealed the injectors with silicone gasket (instead of proper fitting o-rings).
Reason: Previous owner bored out the fuel rail and it was now too big for the oem sized injectors.
Result - leaky injectors.


Don't have pix yet, want to finish the engine bay first.
As far as exterior, the car will be repainted, due to the replacement of bumper and addition of over fenders and rear 1/4 panel rolling for larger wheel fitment.
Previous paint job was pretty crappy, although it looked good in the above pix, it was chipping off in areas like the roof/windshield connection, sunroof had 3 paint/rust bubbles, and in some areas over spray was apparent as well.

I'll post pix when I finish up one of the areas I'm working on right now. Tough to do when working as much as I do.


sil80

sil80drifter

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Hah let's bring this one back from the dead, shall we?
Some pics of the car as of late -

Engine bay -


Exterior -

and


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RotaryResurrection

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:barf:

EDIT: There is a GD 2x4 holding the hood open.

clokker

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That's a JDM piece of wood so it's actually 50.8 x 101.6mm.

RotaryResurrection

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...and if we have to, overnight lumber from Japan...

sil80drifter

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Barf or not, the car is now, and has been since I've completed/fixed it - more reliable, better tuned (power and economy wise), better fuel and cooling systems, better intercooled, better handling, more comfortable (both seats are actually bolted to the floor with all bolts), more rust proof and stiff "(stitch welded front) and is overall an actual better vehicle, period.
All that ricer **** that was shiny and pretty looking was complete garbage from the inside out.
The 2x4 was useful to keep the hood further open for better bay access than the stock rod allowed.

but hey... maybe you like the red shiny stuff over any of that. to each their own.

RotaryResurrection

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...or it could be that I've built plenty of cars that are reliable, powerful, *and* don't look like dogshit over the years. The whole "fast FC's have to look like they were dragged from a middle school paint and bodyshop" trend is so overplayed.

clokker

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So, bolting the seats to the floor is something we brag about now?
You should see mine...BOTH seats are screwed down!

mymmeryloss

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Never knew stitch welding was considered structural...

clokker

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It is, actually.

brian_skotch

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Paint and lower that monster truck! Would look sick!

sil80drifter

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i don't waste money on aesthetic body work. period. this is a track car, it gets beat up, and it makes no sense to invest any money into the paint or lack thereof. i replaced the ridiculously cut up front bumper that did not fit my v-mount with something that direct air flow towards the enginebay/radiator/oil cooler/intercooler and brakes, and i plastidipped over the shiny red paint, first and foremost so that it doesn't pull every cops eyes to the car when I drive to the track, and secondly because when I do end up dinging anything during an event, I can quickly patch it up and blend a few layers into the existing paint. again, not to make it look amazing, but so that the superficial damage isn't too glaring.

I don't know what purpose your "fast and reliable" cars are built for, but if they see any track duty and body damage, and you send them to the body shop every time to re-create that brilliant shine, then you must have a lot of dough and time on your hands that you direct towards things that have nothing to do with enjoying the driving experience.

to each their own.

yes - properly secured seats are a noteworthy item when the original owner(s) a) did not bolt them down b) did not use proper brackets, and c) I had to fabricate the proper hardware to make them comfortable and centered.

if someone doesn't think that stitch welding the front end (strut towers/uni-body and frame rails) improves structural rigidity, maybe there are wikipedia articles you could read before making that kind of statement.

appreciate the advice but I happen to like the ride height and suspension travel currently present. there will be absolutely no performance benefits to slamming this thing any lower. the car was in fact lower when I got it, and the wheels would rub the top wheel arches in the front through the wheel-well cover. I raised the car, and with race rubber, there is still very slight rubbing every once in a while, but that's not a problem. as for the springs - they are as stiff as they need to be.

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clokker

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It's absurd that you trashed a paint job based on an urban myth.

sil80drifter

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do you know why firetrucks are red? do you know why ambulances use the brightest colors they can? so that they stand out to the human eye. there is nothing "urban myth" to that fact. bright colors are known to attract more attention than dull/dark colors. read a biology book.

The consequential result is that if something stands out more, it attracts more attention. The more attention something attracts, the higher the likelyhood that someone (like a police officer) will focus on that something. While I have long decided to abandon any sort of public road shenanigans, getting pulled over because an officer's focus on whatever part of my vehicle they don't like was initiated through their increased attention to my vehicle, is the last thing I want.
That comprises part of the reason to paint the car a darker color. I also happen to not like red as a color for the FC, period. Thats the other part.
To me, it's absurd that you would care enough to comment on the color of a (and any) car, when it's clearly as subjective as a modification choice can get. Then again, it's a free country. To each their own.


sil80

clokker

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Statistics say you are wrong.
There is absolutely no proof that red cars get tickets more frequently than their numbers on the road would indicate.
If your theory is correct:
Say the percentage of red cars registered is 10% of the total...according to you, that 10% of cars would account for more than ten % of tickets issued.
Which they don't.

If red cars were more frequently ticketed than other colors, insurance companies would penalize the hell out of you for owning one.
No insurance company uses color as a basis for their risk assessment.

It's an urban myth and all the talk of firetrucks doesn't change a thing.

Screamin FC

i think more or less sil80 is saying that brighter color vehicles(red/yellow/other random neon colored vehicles) stand out alot more compared to your blacks/grays. hence the reference to the firetruck. youll see it coming. not necessarily that they get ticketed more often, he just wants to reduce his chances of have a track built car getting pulled over on the way to the track. thats what i got out of it anyways

clokker

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I more or less understood what sil80 was saying and that doesn't change the fact that he's wrong.
Besides, do you think that a sketchy looking flat black car looks more innocent than a red one?

Screamin FC

when i was going through california highway patrol academy all 20+ ridealongs i did, the cops were more or less looking for newer cars. they tend to be kept in better shape and idk about every area but the primer/flat paint cars seem to be beat to **** and the cars that normally are painted nice are usually kept up a little bit better and at the same time are usually maintained a lil better and capable of excessively exceeding the speed limit. and bridgeported/streetported/raceported rotaries sound like theyre broken to people anyways haha

sil80drifter

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Did I say anything about tickets? I said "attention." But if that's where you want to go, then why don't we dig deep and try to find some stats on whether brightly colored cars get more tickets than dull/dark colored cars. Since my logic is fairly straight forward, for now I'll stick with my theory, and when you have stats to dispute it, I'll be glad to incorporate that into my logic. If you're going to mention "statistics saying me to be wrong" then get the studies you're referring to and show me.

What you may be thinking about is the myth correlation between higher insurance prices and car color (red being the specific one singled out). This is in fact a myth - car insurance quotes do not depend on car color. This was an actual rumor that was dispelled by various organizations, including insurance companies themselves (Does Car Color Reflect Personality and Car Insurance Prices?).

I have yet to see studies supporting or disproving my attention/citation correlation logic, so if you see any legitimate one, please, go ahead and post.

Keep in mind, the proper way to perform such a study would be to obtain a specific time on a specific intersection, with an equal amount of cars of one or another color performing the same type of driving behavior and being monitored by the same police officer(s), and then counting the number of tickets given out to each type of color cars.
Good luck finding that kind of unbiased study.

Until then, I'll stick with logic.

sil80

clokker

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You are not depending on "logic", just anecdotal evidence.
Let's start here, shall we?

RotaryResurrection

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Logic from a drifter, that's rich.

"It is logical to engage in a competition in which the goal is to nearly lose control, yet maintain control, while intentionally causing parts of your vehicle designed to grip the road to lose grip with the road, and where neither speed nor time elapsed but rather the opinion of one or more spectators determines the winner of the competition."

clokker

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Are you talking about ice skating?

RotaryResurrection

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Vehicles are frequently used during ice skating competitions.

sil80drifter

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Let's not start there, since it's the first Google article that sides with your point of view without actually providing proper statistical study or evidence as support, beginning with the fact that at some point the rumor may have been propagated by someone who didn't know anything about anything. The actual study mentioned in the article was not set up as I described above, and is therefore flawed (at least it's setup is not known, what times of day was the study performed, etc etc). It was focused on red cars mostly, and while that subgroup certainly falls into my theory of brightly colored cars being more susceptible to police attention, the study is limited in its design, as their focus is primarily red cars and not "all brightly colored cars."
There IS in fact a "real" study that mentions specifically red (and gray/brown) cars, stating them to be more likely to receive speeding tickets:
http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/1...005.x/abstract
It is also flawed for our overall purposes, but at least it should quench your "is red related to tickets" curiosity.


How about a study performed providing actual statistics related to what I'm talking about, the gist of which states that "An analysis of speeding records indicates that brightly colored vehicles systematically receive citations for relatively lower speeds."? Oh wait, right here: http://www.appstate.edu/~cherrytl/papers/project1.pdf

Is there a study showing that brightly colored cars are more likely to be pulled over for any type of violation, including but not limited to speeding tickets? Probably not. The above is enough for me to make my decision the way I did. You can paint your car whatever color you want. I couldn't care less. I am in fact caring less by not even wondering what color your car is and what prompted you to make a decision on its color. Then again, maybe that's because it's not part of my personality to randomly talk **** about other folks' cars or decisions. Hmm...


RotaryRessurection -
Trying to make an insulting comment based on the fact that I enjoy drifting as an automotive hobby is pretty ******* lame. I have spent as much, if not more time tracking and auto crossing as I have drifting, and I enjoy them all. If you think drifting at a competitive level is easy, why don't you go try it. They may compare it to the automotive equivalent of figure skating/gymnastics, but that's actually a compliment - figure skating and gymnastics are both ridiculously hard. Being able to drift properly is also not easily done. But that's a separate argument. Trying to discredit my opinion based on my interests is a weak move. I've been on this forum longer than you have, and twice as long as Clokker, but you don't see me discrediting you as ******* noobs. Until of course, you try to explain how the fact that you have 11k+ and 6k+ posts, respectively, makes you masters of logic. Then, I just might.

sil80

RotaryResurrection

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I actually came to this forum when it started in 1999, and Ryan Scott was spamming the FC3S mailing list with invitations for people to come join. In 2001 or so the forum was hacked and many registrations were lost including mine, so I had to re-register another account. Then after a couple years with that account I abandoned it and started a third account with my company name.

I am not so much attacking your hobby of choice but rather pointing out that logic is the LAST term that should be applied to it, which is what you seem to be trying to do by posting wikipedia links and such. I never said that it was easy or that I wanted any part of it. I just hope that one day, the trend of cutting up decent cars, flat black plastidipping the exterior and wheels, and beating the **** out of them in parking lots will die off just like the street racing scene with strobe lights and aluminum rear wings did.