Brokedown Palace on the 401.

 

So what went wrong?

 

Serpentine belt let go. Took out my lower rad hose at the same time. Lost coolant from there and also serpentine belt drives the WATER pump and the alternator as well.

 

ewww, its got a boat anchor in the front....

 

rotary goods mad at you , that joke must be old by now.

Car looks awesome though.

 

Yessir! It does! A whopping massive iron blocked nasty tank boat anchor that puts a massive smile on my face.

 

Must have had a shoddy lower rad hose then? Iv'e heard of many people breaking that belt, but never taking out the lower rad hose. Bummer that happen, but at least it will be new now!

 

har har...meh, it goes with the territory. I like all cars and all FC's. Rotary, V8, Inline 6, whatever. Like em all!

Next track car will be an FC with an RB20DET in it. Looking for the shell now.

thanks for the compliment!

 

DOH! Didn't even think about it being a v8.

 

great looking car, i don't car whats under the hood

I love FCs

 

thank you. I appreciate that. I put a lot of blood, sweat and tears into this car. It's an ongoing project that has been very very therapeutic for me. I'm getting paint in June and will be doing my over fenders then as well. Pretty excited to fit some bigger wheels. (by bigger, I mean wider. )

 

i'm just sayin, prolly a late cast windsor was not a good idea.

really heavy

on the best factory head castings (GT40P) you'll get 280-90hp max

Also if you start making north of 350hp the block will devide into a pair of four cylinder engines.

PS: guirdels dont help it hold together ether, this is an undisputed fact on SBFtech.com

 

Its all good, though, I do find those claims a little suspect.

First off, let me start by saying if money was not an option and I had to pick a v8 to use, I'd be running a Toyota 1UZ motor with ITB's. I'd even choose an LS2, or 1 or 3 over the 302. End of the day, 302's are CHEAP, a dime a dozen and top my own experience, PROVEN to be capable of monster jam.

I'm not sure what information you're relying on, but as a whole, are you telling me that the Fox Body mustang has not proven itself at the drag strip as being a stout Monster? 350whp limit on a 302/351 block? I've never heard of such a thing. Sure, motors can come apart, any motor can but there are literally 10's of Thousands of mustangs out there that run well over 350 whp with just bolt ons and pump gas with no reliability issues whatsoever.

Its dinosaur inefficient technology and a Japanese 5 litre would be making almost double the horsepower and easily but it IS a proven torque and HP motor. Its a Mustang for god's sake, the ONLY thing those things do well is Drag race. And they do it well!

The 302 with with aluminum heads, intake and general slimming down of, (ie, emmissions stuff, uneeded brackets, accessories blah blah with the battery in the trunk and a aluminum hood combo weighs almost identical to a 13B-T with all its accesorries and stuff. Once you throw the manifold, IC and all the extra stuff needed to run a turbo car with high hp relaibly, the weight adds up quickly.

As far as handling now goes, the car does not feel nose heavy at all. Its a vert and is heavier all around. Car is still balanced and feels identical to a turbo vert except it now has torque down low.

I'm NOT saying its the best motor out there, or that its better than a 13B or that if I had all the money in the world,m I'd choose that. All I'm saying is that its cheap, makes wicked torque and hp and was the best choice for me for what this car is being used for. This car is being used to drift and to get attention for a new business. (Body shop, collision and full service and customizing) I'm not overly concerned with a literal extra 30 pounds or so in the front end of an already heavy vert. Once the cage is in, it'll be a true 50/50. Plus its just a lOT OF FUN TO DRIVE!! IT REALLLY REALLY IS!!! FUN FUN FUN FUN.

So anyways, I would love to build myself a reliable well tuned NA 3 rotor someday, but that isnt in the cards right now.

I'm just confused as to how you are honestly saying that a Ford Mustang fox Body is limited to 350whp.

Anyways, happy motoring to all!

 

LOL

I'm saying with the best FACTORY CASTING head (GT40P explorer casting) is limited to around 300 FLYWHEEL! when naturaly asperated (no nitrous, turbocharging, etc...)

And you asume too much or know too little about the windsor. The 351 is somewhat a differnt animal, its used the same strong casting sence the beginng of time, where the 302's block casting was changed to a block casting that was lighter/weaker in the lifter galley and main webs after the 70's to save ford money and a little weight. However if you find a MEXICAN 302 thats newer it has the same casting as the "old" 302.

 

I really really doubt that a 302 w/ aluminum heads weighs the same as a 13bt, And a 13bt can produce 300whp reliably.

I'm not saying the fox body (car platform) is limited to 350hp, i'm saying the newer windsor block is limited to around that. however it wont reach that without aftermaket heads or forced induction.

personaly, if i were to v8 swap it would be with a DOHC 5.4L ford modular motor. its the best american v8 IMO.

I'm really not trying to bust your *****, i'm just a realist and i know ford motors.

 

Apologies for my seemingly ignorant response. I just thought I read that you were saying anything over 350whp was impossible with the motor. Well, without it splitting in half. I'm also a little confused by you saying you can't push more than 300 flywheel with gt40 heads. I dunno.

 

i'm saying it cannot produce over 300hp SAE (flywheel) on GT40P heads (Explorer GT40P heads flow the best PERIOD) in naturaly asperaited guise. Even though it flows the most for a factory casting, its still not enough to break the 300hp barrier.


gt40 and gt40p are not the same heads, the gt40 flows even less. and if youve got the ET7M truck/80s head, forget about it lol.

i'm not saying 350hp is imposible on the block, it just wont last. 350hp is imposible on any factory casting head when the engine is naturaly asperated.

 

You highly doubt it? What are you basing that doubt on? I'm basing mine on people who've actually weighed things.

5.4 mod motor? Sure, so would I....but 302 ho - $800 with T5 tranny.

5.4 mod motor, hmmmm- 3500. At least.

I dunno.

 

I'm running out of an 88 GT with ported stock heads and intake. I'm buying a used setup off some dude.

Cobra heads, some intake aftermarket, b303 cam and some other small stuff. He was making 375 whp

 

5.4 DOHC mod out of a navigator, only around 1k. dont even **** with the SOHC if you wanna make power.

i can pick up a 13b (S4 n/a) "short block/core" alot easier then i could my 302 short bock when i rebuilt, so i'm saying it weighs more from the start. so i'm basing mine on me picking **** up lol.

302ho? cam is okay, but heads are junk for power. You need explorer intake manifold and GT40P heads. A tried and true budget setup on SBFtech.com is the gt40p heads/intake, HO cam, and 1.7 roller rockers. makes near 300hp with good response and makes a great noise.

http://sbftech.com/

Join, read, de-ignorize

 

You try picking it up with all its accessories for a turbo setup?

I'm not after monster hp. It can make monster hp. 300 is more thann enough for what I'm doing. With around 400ft lbs, I'm laughing.

If I wanted monster jam and was after it, I would be making it with an rb25.

 

Oh. And the mod motors are nearly impossible to fit and they weigh a ******* TONNE.

 

go with a 4.6 DOHC out of a lincoln then, it'll b more rev happy vs the 5.4. The 4.6 deck is shorter then the 5.4 (the only real differnce between the two) as well as the block being aluminum as well as the heads. Now that probably weighs around what the 13bt does.

what accsorys? the only accesorys my FC has is the alt and water pump lol. I dont need no bitchass PS or AC

Monsterjam is for monster trucks, they run blown nitrometh/acho bigblocks....

 

Dude. Its in the car already. With aluminum heads, intake, batt in trunk and and the aluminum hood it already DOES weigh the same as a 13bt.

It may not be the best, it may not be the coolest, or efficient...but I'll tell you this. EVERY SINGLE person who's driven the car cannot stop grinning like a **** eating monkey after they're done. The car handles, looks good, sounds like a bat out of hell and is FUN to drive. That's the whole purpose of the build. And the swap cost less then 1500 all in.

 

aluminum heads themselves cost around 1200-2k, so i doubt you have aluminum cyl caps

unless you show me a picture.... then i'll belive you.