Pic request!!! 16'' wheels
12-12-07, 10:38 PM
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ha wow seriously you guys? that last post was crazy long. get over all that non-sense, even tho that isnt really non my or anyone else's business. Now get back to the subject of the thread.
12-14-07, 02:41 PM
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The only difference between the S4 and S5 shifters is the shift **** itself. Also the S4 shift **** was designed with racing in mind whereas the S5 **** was designed with "sales" in mind. The gauges you mention are personal preference as well as the idiot lights.
Oh yeah, s4's tend to have the custom 7 speed shifter bushings that give you some extra gears (or they just have that much slop in them) while s5's are *usually* still okay.
Tails, mirrors, wings, body molding, bumpers, lenses, fog lights << all personal preference. The only reason S5 got factory effects was because they werent selling well and mazda needed a kicker to make sales.
S4's came with a MUCH better style of "factory effects" with the Sport/GTU and 88T2 aero kits which were designed for improved air flow and had much more of a racing spirit. S5's got rid of this because mazda wasnt making sales and needed a change to make their cars more appealing.
You mean those cheap little chunks of black rubber? 
This sounds fine too... but once again... the S4 comes out on top with more of mazda's racing spirit which the S5 lost out on.
Most S5's nowadays dont have properly functioning VDI or 5th 6th ports. And Most owners dont keep factory exhaust or emissions systems anyway. Also most owners either wire them open or find a better way to open and close them.
If you think checking codes on an S4 is difficult then you've got some serious learning disabilities. The CEL may tell you when your TPS goes bad.. but once the S5 TPS goes bad there is no saving it. In PERSONAL experience i've seen more S5 TPS's go bad where as the S4 can just be SIMPLY re-adjusted back to spec. Also the S4 wont start bucking and "acting a fool" as you put it. You only notice a small stutter around 1200 RPM. I've also never had a leaking OMP because i properly maintain my OMP. We all know that mechanical is far superior to electric.
How exactly does one "maintain" his OMP, anyway?
And yes, you can PULL codes from an s4, but it never TELLS you that you have an issue with a sensor, except for the fact that the car is running badly. I would call the CEL/noficiation feature an ADVANCEMENT, but that is just me.
Once again... who's still running a stock exhaust??
If you are to ignorant to learn how to fix SIMPLE problems then you shouldnt be an Rx7 owner. It all comes with the territory of owning an old *** car.
I've also seen MANY S5's have most of the electric problems with LESS miles than a lot of the S4's i've worked on.... this is more just personal experience with Rx7's. Everyones experience will be different. But saying that S5 electronics "hold up better" is NOT true.
Moral of the story... S4's have a racing heart. S5's were designed for looks and sales.
The only thing "racing" about an s4 car is the fact that it might be ligher than an s5 car. But that was because many of the early s4's came stripped down with no options. I've seen s4's that had 14" 4 lug wheels with small brakes, manual mirrors, no PS, no sunroof, and NO BINS in the back, just a flat piece of carpet and wood underneath. Talk about a piece of ****. BUt hey, it's RACING SPIRIT lives on! :
12-23-07, 01:51 AM
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im no expert and i most definetely dont want to get the rotary resurection guy going about this since i heard good things about him, but i have some knowledge about both series of cars. i own and have reads lots of official mazda books on all three rx7 gens and the new rx8.
all i can say is that i owned both an S5 and an S4 and out of both i would definetely keep the S4. it feels stronger in every sense, seems easier to fix, love the exterior look, S4 aero parts are not just "plastic things" they are actually very functional and probably more functional than s5 aero parts, the s4 interior is not clunky at all, i think it is very racing inspired and as said by 86GXL S4's have more of a true racing feel whereas s5 are more of a show car.
my 87 Turbo II is 20 years old, has 145,xxx original miles and it has 90 compression in each rotor and evry single interior part with the exeption of the suroof works perfectly, my S5 even being babied by the original owner and myself had problems with the VDI, 5th and 6th ports, wiper switch worked when ever the hell it felt like it and the speedo jumped a lot.
at the end who gives a **** which series is better, they are both FC3S and they are great cars.
going back to the thread topic, here my 87 TII with watanabe RS8 wheels
unknown offset 16X7 in front 16X8 in rear
all i can say is that i owned both an S5 and an S4 and out of both i would definetely keep the S4. it feels stronger in every sense, seems easier to fix, love the exterior look, S4 aero parts are not just "plastic things" they are actually very functional and probably more functional than s5 aero parts, the s4 interior is not clunky at all, i think it is very racing inspired and as said by 86GXL S4's have more of a true racing feel whereas s5 are more of a show car.
my 87 Turbo II is 20 years old, has 145,xxx original miles and it has 90 compression in each rotor and evry single interior part with the exeption of the suroof works perfectly, my S5 even being babied by the original owner and myself had problems with the VDI, 5th and 6th ports, wiper switch worked when ever the hell it felt like it and the speedo jumped a lot.
at the end who gives a **** which series is better, they are both FC3S and they are great cars.
going back to the thread topic, here my 87 TII with watanabe RS8 wheels
unknown offset 16X7 in front 16X8 in rear
12-23-07, 05:43 PM
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^^^which exhaust is that? CS titanium burnt tip? w.e. it is its nice as hell
wheels are nice too
(sorry no pics i got stock 15in on one FC and 17s on the other
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wheels are nice too
(sorry no pics i got stock 15in on one FC and 17s on the other
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12-23-07, 07:02 PM
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Then why are s4's *usually* much rattier than s5's? Half of the s4 cars I see and used to buy, didn't even have any dash plastic left at all, while the s5's either had an unbroken one or one with a small crack or one broken piece. S4 interiors generally look like they were used for hunting vehicles or those cars that the junkyard guys use to drive around in the back of the yard to fetch parts.
The shifter itself is also different, with the shaft being smaller to accomodate the new shift ****. The s5 **** sits over the shaft, about 2 inches lower, while the s4 **** fits on top of the shaft and so the whole thing is taller. Let's say it all together now, yay for racing style s4 shifters that are 2" taller than the s5.
Oh yeah, s4's tend to have the custom 7 speed shifter bushings that give you some extra gears (or they just have that much slop in them) while s5's are *usually* still okay.
That's a long freaking list of "personal preference" and guess what...that is what makes a car desireable. Rarely if ever do you see a newer model of a particular car turn out to be a "down grade" from an earlier version. Think about that.
Racing spirit? You mean those cheap little chunks of black rubber?
You mean those cheap little chunks of black rubber?
So a 120-130rwhp car with an LSD has "racing spirit" while the same car w/o LSD does not? This is becoming more and more interesting as time goes on.
Dude, bullshit. BULLSHIT. You have NO IDEA what you are talking about, you are making **** up to try and support your futile stance. Most s5's still have functional VDI and 6PI because guess what...with the electronic control and airpump providing the pressure, they continue to operate much longer and move more freely than the s4 6 ports that tend to lock up because the exhaust loses backpressure due to leaks and then the ports dont open, stay that way and get locked shut. Lack of use = locked up ports, continual use = ports still move freely.
In my PERSONAL and PROFESSIONAL experience of a rotary mechanic of 9 years, working on HUNDREDS of 2nd gens, I can tell you that a bad s4 TPS wreaks HAVOC on the running of the car. Sure, s5 TPS' do go bad, but generally they just cause a CEL and a severely hunting idle. I had an s4 car here just 3 weeks ago that had a really bad TPS and the thing was a BITCH to drive in traffic or in the neighborhood at ~25% throttle because it bucked so badly. I was able to adjust part of it out but it was still far from being right. S4's are far more likely to have this issue.
How exactly does one "maintain" his OMP, anyway?
How exactly does one "maintain" his OMP, anyway?
And yes, you can PULL codes from an s4, but it never TELLS you that you have an issue with a sensor, except for the fact that the car is running badly. I would call the CEL/noficiation feature an ADVANCEMENT, but that is just me.
We're comparing platforms in stock form, are we not? Or is a stock exhaust not enough of a "racing spirit" to suit you? LMFAO.
Boy, you don't know who in the hell you are talking to do you? I have fixed more cars than you have K miles (thousands of miles) on your car son. I do this **** on a DAILY BASIS, so don't act like you're talking to one of the forum kiddies here, you will get owned in short order.
All I know is that out of a LARGE field of cars that I've driven, worked on, and parted out/tested, there seems to be about a 25% chance that an s4 car will have working wiper switch/headlight switch/logicon/idiot cluster, while with an s5 you have about a 75% chance that those same parts will still be okay.
Racing heart? WTF are you smoking? Where do you come up with this ****?
The only thing "racing" about an s4 car is the fact that it might be ligher than an s5 car. But that was because many of the early s4's came stripped down with no options. I've seen s4's that had 14" 4 lug wheels with small brakes, manual mirrors, no PS, no sunroof, and NO BINS in the back, just a flat piece of carpet and wood underneath. Talk about a piece of ****. BUt hey, it's RACING SPIRIT lives on! :
Once again if you cant appreciate what mazda was trying to do with their cars you dont deserve to own an Rx7. Especially when you are calling it a "piece of ****".
I'm beginning to believe you arent a mechanic at all and you're some punk *** kid who grew up with the F&F crowd and you're all about the looks of a car rather than its racing heritage and perfourmance.
You keep saying how the S5 is more desirable... but its all personal preference in the end. If you have to compensate for something with trying to make yourself look good... then so be it.
12-23-07, 10:35 PM
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well then my car is prefect i have an s4 GXL shell with an LSD and its lighter. Then I an S5 motor that has more horsepower. So my car is better then and s4 and an s5 haha i'm guna call it an S5.9 haha
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12-24-07, 01:19 AM
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So this guy actually thinks that a stripped down, base model, non-PS having, manual-mirror having, no-sunroof, single piston caliper/9 inch rotor having, 14x6 wheel/185mm tire having s4 NA that was marketed as a cheap fun car, is actually superior to the more option enhanced, modern looking s5 and has more "race spirit" and is a nicer, more preferred car.
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Okaaaay, I think my job is all done here.
Back to the pics!
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Okaaaay, I think my job is all done here.
Originally Posted by 86GXL
BOYCOTT ROTARY RESURRECTION!
Back to the pics!
12-24-07, 12:02 PM
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i've ridden in the so called "BASE MODEL" s4 rx7 and i too found them pretty fast, nible and light. maybe not the best FC but definetely good in its own way.
Not trying to flame anyone but in this case i definetely support 86GXL in his claim that S4 FC's are slightly better than S5s
Not trying to flame anyone but in this case i definetely support 86GXL in his claim that S4 FC's are slightly better than S5s
12-24-07, 12:08 PM
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Here's a few pics of mine, sorry for all the different colors my car has been but you'll get the idea
The rims are off of a ford and lincoln, not sure on offset. The fronts are like +25-30 I believe, and the rears even lower obviously, but I can't give you a for sure answer. I got the rims from the junkyard for 100.
Front: (old crappy cell phone pic)
Rear:
The low offset rims all around:
My car has been through many colors this year lol
The rims are off of a ford and lincoln, not sure on offset. The fronts are like +25-30 I believe, and the rears even lower obviously, but I can't give you a for sure answer. I got the rims from the junkyard for 100
. Front: (old crappy cell phone pic)
Rear:
The low offset rims all around:
My car has been through many colors this year lol
12-24-07, 12:47 PM
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What is your basis for this statement?
According to performance testing conducted by reputable car magazines during the production of the FC, the '86-'87 Sport recorded the fastest acceleration times of any NA FC, yes it even outperformed the "mighty" GTUs.
According to performance testing conducted by reputable car magazines during the production of the FC, the '86-'87 Sport recorded the fastest acceleration times of any NA FC, yes it even outperformed the "mighty" GTUs.
12-31-07, 11:37 PM
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Here are mine sorry I have no clue on off set probly none though. There 16" but I am not 100% sure on width but I believe its 7". The tires on them are 225's and on the front they almost rub the bottom plate for the springs.
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