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12-21-07, 10:27 PM
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no, its only legal if you swap an engine of equal size from the same model car thats available in the us (at least for california). 20b's were only in japan therefore swapping it would be illegal by all means of street use.
12-21-07, 10:35 PM
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emmissions
There is no general law that says you can't tinker with engines, throw in a new engine, or throw in an electric motor. Most state emissions laws say that you can not alter a stock emissions system though.
The biggest law is the law of economics, which says that it probably is not worth it to spend $10,000 and dozens of hours putting a bigger motor in your 22 year old car (probably made in late 85') $10,000 could be put toward a different mid 1990's car. Admittedly, a lot of car people freely break this law.
12-21-07, 10:44 PM
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I've wondered about the legality of doing a T2 swap into an N/A also. Do you have to get it smogged once you do? Have to tell insurance company? DMV? Interesting topic.
12-21-07, 10:49 PM
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example of legal car:
2001 subaru 2.5 rs with a 2005 sti turbo engine (a monster btw)
-same model car
-engine same size (smaller in this case)
-engine is a usdm available engine
and of course, smog is still the issue but theres ways around that.
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12-21-07, 10:50 PM
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I'd assume that since the engine/chassis numbers wouldn't match up, it would be illegal. But I think if you keep it to yourself, they wouldn't find out. People run swaps all the time.
12-21-07, 11:59 PM
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Lol here in washington it's illegal to:
1: Do personal maintenance on your car, you have to be a registered mechanic to perform maintenance for the car to be legal.
2: It's illegal to to change the mechanical design of the the car (excluding tires n such) from stock configuration.
3: It's illegal to accelerate from 0 - 60 in less than 13 seconds.
And since the skylines RB26 is illegal, I'm pretty sure 20B is too. Unless of course you are in Florida where they have little to no law.
But you know, I'd do it anyway if I had a 20B =)
1: Do personal maintenance on your car, you have to be a registered mechanic to perform maintenance for the car to be legal.
2: It's illegal to to change the mechanical design of the the car (excluding tires n such) from stock configuration.
3: It's illegal to accelerate from 0 - 60 in less than 13 seconds.
And since the skylines RB26 is illegal, I'm pretty sure 20B is too. Unless of course you are in Florida where they have little to no law.
But you know, I'd do it anyway if I had a 20B =)
12-22-07, 12:09 AM
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Lol here in washington it's illegal to:
1: Do personal maintenance on your car, you have to be a registered mechanic to perform maintenance for the car to be legal.
2: It's illegal to to change the mechanical design of the the car (excluding tires n such) from stock configuration.
3: It's illegal to accelerate from 0 - 60 in less than 13 seconds.
And since the skylines RB26 is illegal, I'm pretty sure 20B is too. Unless of course you are in Florida where they have little to no law.
But you know, I'd do it anyway if I had a 20B =)
1: Do personal maintenance on your car, you have to be a registered mechanic to perform maintenance for the car to be legal.
2: It's illegal to to change the mechanical design of the the car (excluding tires n such) from stock configuration.
3: It's illegal to accelerate from 0 - 60 in less than 13 seconds.
And since the skylines RB26 is illegal, I'm pretty sure 20B is too. Unless of course you are in Florida where they have little to no law.
But you know, I'd do it anyway if I had a 20B =)
12-22-07, 12:50 AM
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12-22-07, 01:12 AM
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As long as the engine/controller you are putting in the vehicle is newer then the vehicle it is going into, you can get it smog legal. Just have to have go to smog referee.
12-22-07, 08:15 AM
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Yea, I agree, plus they let blind people have license here. It's especially bad this Christmass because its like the south park episode where the old people are killing everyone.
But I live on same street as atkins so I can't complain too much.
Probably more concerned with greater things than having a 3 inch exhaust there, like.. dead bodies in the marsh type of thing.
But I live on same street as atkins so I can't complain too much.
Probably more concerned with greater things than having a 3 inch exhaust there, like.. dead bodies in the marsh type of thing.
12-22-07, 10:06 AM
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Your location even implies you live in the state of California...
There is no way a 20B would pass any proper smog check in California.
The Cosmo was never cleared for importation into the U.S.A., therefore, it does not count as being legal in ANY state in the eyes of FEDERAL agencies - i.e. DOT / EPA.
and of course, smog is still the issue but theres ways around that.
If you're going to suggest illegal means, why not tell people to shoot all the ******* in CARB...
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12-22-07, 05:49 PM
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Lol here in washington it's illegal to:
1: Do personal maintenance on your car, you have to be a registered mechanic to perform maintenance for the car to be legal.
2: It's illegal to to change the mechanical design of the the car (excluding tires n such) from stock configuration.
3: It's illegal to accelerate from 0 - 60 in less than 13 seconds.
And since the skylines RB26 is illegal, I'm pretty sure 20B is too. Unless of course you are in Florida where they have little to no law.
But you know, I'd do it anyway if I had a 20B =)
1: Do personal maintenance on your car, you have to be a registered mechanic to perform maintenance for the car to be legal.
2: It's illegal to to change the mechanical design of the the car (excluding tires n such) from stock configuration.
3: It's illegal to accelerate from 0 - 60 in less than 13 seconds.
And since the skylines RB26 is illegal, I'm pretty sure 20B is too. Unless of course you are in Florida where they have little to no law.
But you know, I'd do it anyway if I had a 20B =)
F*CK the law.
20b all the way!
12-23-07, 01:04 AM
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Lol here in washington it's illegal to:
1: Do personal maintenance on your car, you have to be a registered mechanic to perform maintenance for the car to be legal.
2: It's illegal to to change the mechanical design of the the car (excluding tires n such) from stock configuration.
3: It's illegal to accelerate from 0 - 60 in less than 13 seconds.
And since the skylines RB26 is illegal, I'm pretty sure 20B is too. Unless of course you are in Florida where they have little to no law.
But you know, I'd do it anyway if I had a 20B =)
1: Do personal maintenance on your car, you have to be a registered mechanic to perform maintenance for the car to be legal.
2: It's illegal to to change the mechanical design of the the car (excluding tires n such) from stock configuration.
3: It's illegal to accelerate from 0 - 60 in less than 13 seconds.
And since the skylines RB26 is illegal, I'm pretty sure 20B is too. Unless of course you are in Florida where they have little to no law.
But you know, I'd do it anyway if I had a 20B =)
12-23-07, 07:38 AM
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Hey, I don't bs, but I don't feel like proving it cuz I don't wanna have to prove my state sucks :\. Though I admit it may be prone to Tacoma area. However, all of the above, I or one of my friends have been written a ticket for. I drive a completely modded rx7 and never get pulled over, but have seen the cops add on to a ticket for the above reasons.
12-23-07, 07:06 PM
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just the tip of the iceberg
http://www.dmv.ca.gov/pubs/vctop/app.../hs44017_4.htm
http://www.dmv.ca.gov/pubs/vctop/app.../hs44017_4.htm
Originally Posted by california dmv
Health and Safety Code
44017.4. (a) Upon registration with the Department of Motor Vehicles, a passenger vehicle or pickup truck that is a specially constructed vehicle, as defined in Section 580 of the Vehicle Code, shall be inspected by stations authorized to perform referee functions. This inspection shall be for the purposes of determining the engine model-year used in the vehicle or the vehicle model-year, and the emission control system application. The owner shall have the option to choose whether the inspection is based on the engine model-year used in the vehicle or the vehicle model-year.
(1) In determining the engine model-year, the referee shall compare the engine to engines of the era that the engine most closely resembles. The referee shall assign the 1960 model-year to the engine in any specially constructed vehicle that does not sufficiently resemble a previously manufactured engine. The referee shall require only those emission control systems that are applicable to the established engine model-year and that the engine reasonably accommodates in its present form.
(2) In determining the vehicle model-year, the referee shall compare the vehicle to vehicles of the era that the vehicle most closely resembles. The referee shall assign the 1960 model-year to any specially constructed vehicle that does not sufficiently resemble a previously manufactured vehicle. The referee shall require only those emission control systems that are applicable to the established model-year and that the vehicle reasonably accommodates in its present form.
(b) Upon the completion of the inspection, the referee shall affix a tamper-resistant label to the vehicle and issue a certificate that establishes the engine model-year or the vehicle model-year, and the emission control system application.
(c) The Department of Motor Vehicles shall annually provide a registration to no more than the first 500 vehicles that meet the criteria described in subdivision (a) that are presented to that department for registration pursuant to this section. The 500-vehicle annual limitation does not apply to the renewal of registration of a vehicle registered pursuant to this section.
(Amended Sec. 1, Ch. 693, Stats. 2002. Effective January 1, 2003.)
44017.4. (a) Upon registration with the Department of Motor Vehicles, a passenger vehicle or pickup truck that is a specially constructed vehicle, as defined in Section 580 of the Vehicle Code, shall be inspected by stations authorized to perform referee functions. This inspection shall be for the purposes of determining the engine model-year used in the vehicle or the vehicle model-year, and the emission control system application. The owner shall have the option to choose whether the inspection is based on the engine model-year used in the vehicle or the vehicle model-year.
(1) In determining the engine model-year, the referee shall compare the engine to engines of the era that the engine most closely resembles. The referee shall assign the 1960 model-year to the engine in any specially constructed vehicle that does not sufficiently resemble a previously manufactured engine. The referee shall require only those emission control systems that are applicable to the established engine model-year and that the engine reasonably accommodates in its present form.
(2) In determining the vehicle model-year, the referee shall compare the vehicle to vehicles of the era that the vehicle most closely resembles. The referee shall assign the 1960 model-year to any specially constructed vehicle that does not sufficiently resemble a previously manufactured vehicle. The referee shall require only those emission control systems that are applicable to the established model-year and that the vehicle reasonably accommodates in its present form.
(b) Upon the completion of the inspection, the referee shall affix a tamper-resistant label to the vehicle and issue a certificate that establishes the engine model-year or the vehicle model-year, and the emission control system application.
(c) The Department of Motor Vehicles shall annually provide a registration to no more than the first 500 vehicles that meet the criteria described in subdivision (a) that are presented to that department for registration pursuant to this section. The 500-vehicle annual limitation does not apply to the renewal of registration of a vehicle registered pursuant to this section.
(Amended Sec. 1, Ch. 693, Stats. 2002. Effective January 1, 2003.)
