WanKeL FD RX-7

iTrader: (7)

Ok, i am looking to put a TII engine in my 83 GS. I can get a 89 TII engine with the transmission. The engine is complete, includes turbo, intercooler, injectors, BOV, etc.. It's 1300$ CDN tax included with a 3 month warranty. So i've made a list of parts i'll need to buy to make the swap. If i'm missing some of the required parts, please let me know. Just remember that i want the less expensive solution.

- 89 Turbo II Engine + Transmission
- TII Factory ECU
- GSL-SE Oil pan
- GSL-SE Radiator
- FD or FC TII fuel pump
- Bigger Fuel lines
- 12A to 13B front motor mounts (RB)
- 12A front cover
- TII ignition
- High pressure rising rate Fuel pressure reg. (TII one or aftermarket one)
- Mass air meter
- Aftermarket downpipe
- Turbo to downpipe gasket
- Surge Tank
- Fuel Cut defender
- Coils from a 2nd gen N/A or Turbo II
- Boost Gauge with gauge pod

Sooo, what do i need else ? I planned to spend around 3000$ CDN for this swap.. I want to run stock boost on turbo.

It is a serious project so if you know you can help me, it would be appreciated.

Thanks Guys

Cheers

Max

mattrx7N/A

iTrader: (2)

The TII wiring harness and knock computer. Good luck

you dont need the fuel pressure regulator if your running it all stock, run an FMU if your gonna run a little more boost.

WanKeL FD RX-7

iTrader: (7)

The TII wiring is a pain in the *** to install???

WanKeL FD RX-7

iTrader: (7)

So, wiring harness is the most difficult thing for this swap?

WanKeL FD RX-7

iTrader: (7)

bump

fatboy7

In your case, it might -- the stock engine has a bundle of sensors that it requires. If some of them are missing, you'll find that the ecu is a whiner. One of those is the electronically controlled OMP. It won't fit a 12A cover, or an -SE one IIRC without some serious modifications. With out it though, the ecu goes into limp mode.

What are you doing for intercooling? The stock TII one is a top mount, and you probably don't have a hood scoop.

You're gonna want an oil cooler, besides the behive in your 83. Don't forget the Driveshaft, or the rest of your exhaust.

Sorry to say, but unless you can get the complete engine and all the sensors for next to nothing, you'll be hard pressed to get that 13BT into your car on only $3000 CDN

JDuncan

iTrader: (3)

What fatboy7 says is correct. methinks you might have to go to a standalone fuel management system with this config. The 89 (S5) uses a electric OMP, which is monitored by the ecu. If the OMP is not reporting what the ecu wants to hear, it puts the motor in limp mode (at least it does on NA cars, as this has been a huge problem on my friends IT racecar). By switching the front covers, you are also switching to a mechanical OMP. Unless there is some way to mate the electric OMP to the 12a/13bSE front cover, you will find yourself experiencing this problem with the stock ecu.

hondah8er

just ditch the omp run a premix. Oh and dont use NA coils...there **** compared to the T2 coils which are pretty robust.

WanKeL FD RX-7

iTrader: (7)

I can get the engine for 800$ CDN tax incl. because i work in a speedshop. I found a guy with a stock TII ecu and wiring.

So, we'll see..

Max

WanKeL FD RX-7

iTrader: (7)

The thing that I am wondering about is the driveshaft, i heard that i have to make one custom?

WanKeL FD RX-7

iTrader: (7)

So the best way is to leave mechanical OMP and run premix, so with this i won't have problems ?

fatboy7

1) Yes, you need a custom one, or see if you can get someone to sell you a hybrid with the 1st gen differential flange attached to the TII tranny splines.
2) No, like I said ealier; an 89 w/o electronic OMP means limp mode... it won't work.

mattrx7N/A

iTrader: (2)

Get a 87-88 TII engine, no electronic OMP!
The easiest way to go is to buy a TWM TB and run a Haltech F10, then you dont need any of the stock crap, just run a locked out 1st gen distributor for ignition.
You can run any 2nd gen oil cooler and coils, they were the same for all years.

hondah8er

The T2 coils are not the same as the NA coils my friend.

mattrx7N/A

iTrader: (2)

All 86-91 coils are the same my friend

setzep

Boy, hondah8er strikes again!

T2 and NA coils are the same.

WanKeL FD RX-7

iTrader: (7)

I'll try to get a 87-88 S4 engine

Keaponlaffen

hondah8er

honest mistake man, I was thinking of something else.

setzep

hondah8er- No problem, we all make mistakes.

Wankel FD Rx-7- the surge tank is a great idea, if I ever redo my fuel system thats what I'm going to do. Run stock lines up to a tank in the engine bay then the high pressure/volume pump to the fuel rail.
Looks like you have done some research.

mattrx7N/A

iTrader: (2)

Its ok Hondah8er, you're cool in my book I hate honduhs too.

setzep

Hondas aren't bad. Honda makes a damn good car, it's just the things people do to them that sucks.

I love my 91 integra, gets great mileage, reliable, fun to drive ect...
The only thing about them I don't like is how fast they rust.

hondah8er

When I was a kid I always thought honda's were OK. Now I have a deep hatred for them (namely civics) because of what people do to them. The other day I say this old man (40ish easily) driving a late 90's accord with altezza's, HUGE wing but the stock pea shooter. I almost crashed I laughed so hard. He had the most puzzled look on his face when i pointed at him and laughed.


Setzep is right, they do rust out very quickly and if you use it as a daily driver and keep it bone stock...your still ok in my books

WanKeL FD RX-7

iTrader: (7)

So, here is what i have to get...

S4 engine with 12A front cover and run mechanical OMP. Do i use premix ?

12A transmission
Stock TII ecu
TII harness

But, again, i can't put a s5 and run premix ??? because i found a TII ecu (s5) and the harness of a S5.

Thanks guys for the help

Max

WanKeL FD RX-7

iTrader: (7)

I'd like the S5 engine because the rotors are lighter than the s4 ones and i heard the s5 turbo is way better.

Max