Originally Posted by 82transam
not to mention the first gen center iron lacks the provisions for the fuel injectors.... among other things
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Originally Posted by josh...just josh
he might have been talking about the gsl-e's 13b center housing
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Originally Posted by 85rotarypower
Mating the tranny to the engine is no big deal. Just use a TII tranny with the swap, you'll get better results and it will bolt up to the TII engine with no problems, obviously. The problem comes when fitting a rear tranny mount and driveshaft. You will need a custom tranny mount and have a custom driveshaft fabbed up. The shifter possition is also moved back with a TII tranny.
I have changed the rear tailshaft and housing from a TII to a GSL-SE by swaping the two. I have showed this to others and they have had no problem with it. |
Originally Posted by Rotorhead34
Bullshit
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Originally Posted by 82transam
Excuse me? Whats with the attitude, not to mention posting like 5 times in a row. Yes I realize the SE center iron has fuel injectors in it, I've been around 7's plenty long enough to know such things. The way you said it made it sound as if you could just swap any old first gen center iron and be fine. Its not even nessesary to swap center irons, I'm not sure why you would even say that in the first place... Btw, nice looking engine bay, what size turbo is that?
The turbo is a T04E, great size, not too much lag and good pull when passing on the interstate. A little choppy around town, it wants to go. Thanks, I've done all my work myself, including all the fabrication. That pic is a couple of years old and the bay looks even cleaner now. |
Originally Posted by Rotorhead34
He is absolutely correct!!
I have changed the rear tailshaft and housing from a TII to a GSL-SE by swaping the two. I have showed this to others and they have had no problem with it. Also, you do not need to switch out the center iron. I have a GSL-SE oil pan and 12A front cover on the 88 NA engine in my 82, and it was not a problem to bolt up. Just drill out the two holes in the oil pan then use plenty of RTV on that section. No more chance of a leak than anything else IMO. |
I'll agree to you saying a SE is quite different from other first gens. I haven't heard anything about the motor mount holes leaking on a T2 center iron though, although it does seem to be logically possible. I'm in the middle of a t2 swap right now, and I am going off what I have done, that is using a SE front cover and oil pan to mount the engine. I didn't change anything else and it has come together fine. I guess other than the potential for oil leaks from the mount bolt holes I still don't see why you would need to change the center housing though...
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Originally Posted by Rotorhead34
Don't tell me how much time it takes, I already know. ECU and Wiring harness are a blanket statement which time and fabrication is owned by the person doing the job. It's really not all that hard, just time consuming and if you know what your doing, it's not that long. Look at my 1st gen, trust me, I know how long it takes.
Like I stated before it takes alot of research, planning and not to mention the mechanical apptitude to tackle the job.. Just because I can tear a motor down in 15 minutes does not mean it is that easy for everyone. That's why alot of turbo projects are abandoned and alot of members have paid someone else to do the work. Not everyone is capable of just diving into certain repairs or mods and making them happen. Someone pursuing a Turbo swap needs to be fully informed on what all is involved and the pitfalls they may encounter before they start the project. |
Originally Posted by 85rotarypower
If this is true then why have I not heard of it before? In fact I think I asked about doing this once and it was thrown away as not possible.
Also, you do not need to switch out the center iron. I have a GSL-SE oil pan and 12A front cover on the 88 NA engine in my 82, and it was not a problem to bolt up. Just drill out the two holes in the oil pan then use plenty of RTV on that section. No more chance of a leak than anything else IMO. |
You do not swap out the 86+ center iron for and SE one, period. If you try that, you end up with 2 grooves, one in the iron and one in the housing. You cannot seal an engine with 2 o-rings. Apparently you did not build your own engine.
Swapping an SE oil pan on any 2nd gen engine works fine when swapping the later engines into a 1st gen body. Your turn to be excused, lol. |
Originally Posted by Rotorhead34
As I explained earlier, the center housing on a TII has 3 motor mount holes bore into it, which can eventually lead to an oil leak. The first is front mounted. You have to change the front cover, by doing this the oil pan needs to changed to the 1st pan, the TII pan has these 3 holes in it as well. Changing the center housing to match a first gen is the only way to do this job and pulling everything together to fit properly. This question was originally posted reguarding GSL-SE. IMO, this should have shed a lot of light on my first reply which everyone seemed to be blasting me for. A first gen and a GSL-SE are truely two very different cars with similar bodies.
The turbo is a T04E, great size, not too much lag and good pull when passing on the interstate. A little choppy around town, it wants to go. Thanks, I've done all my work myself, including all the fabrication. That pic is a couple of years old and the bay looks even cleaner now. You cannot use ANY 1st gen housing in conjunction with 2nd gen housings. The coolant o-rings are in a different location. End of story. As for the pics you posted, that is a 2nd gen n/a engine (with a turbo) NOT a TII! That leads me to believe you are also running a 2nd gen n/a transmission which WILL bolt in simply by changing the tail housing and tail shaft. This is VASTLY different to installing a real TII transmission. You have no idea what you're talking about. |
^ He's got it abolsutely correct!
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Originally Posted by REVHED
STOP TALKING OUT OF YOUR ASS AND CONFUSING NEWER MEMBERS WHO ARE PROBABLY CONFUSED ENOUGH ALREADY.
You cannot use ANY 1st gen housing in conjunction with 2nd gen housings. The coolant o-rings are in a different location. End of story. As for the pics you posted, that is a 2nd gen n/a engine (with a turbo) NOT a TII! That leads me to believe you are also running a 2nd gen n/a transmission which WILL bolt in simply by changing the tail housing and tail shaft. This is VASTLY different to installing a real TII transmission. You have no idea what you're talking about. |
He was asking how to put a TII engine AND transmission into a GSL-SE.
That fact is, the advice you've given regarding engine mounting and gearbox mounting has been completely wrong. |
Originally Posted by luism12lm
I’m thinking on putting a TII engine/transmission on my GSL-SE. I was looking for engines online and I came across these web sites:
http://www.jspecautosports.com/catal...spx?cat_id=106 http://www.rotaryshack.com/Engines/UsedEngines.asp http://www.jdmenginescorp.com/index....ndex&cPath=1_6 Has anyone used any of these places before? What do you guys think prices, engines, etc? Is it worth it? Where can I find a complete web site or manual or instructions on how to do a complete swap? Thank you, Luism12lm It doesnt really matter the thread starter never asked these questions. He asked if anyone one has heard about the links he has posted above. What we thought about the prices and the places, and also for help to find how to, a simple reply of search you noob would have been better than what he has gotten This has gotten off topic, I am not trying to be rude to anyone on here. It is great that you are trying to help out, but when it leads no where but to more back and forth fighting its not good. -Matt |
You have to remember Matt that we are passionate about our cars in the 1st gen section and also that we do not want new members or even existing members to receive info that is not correct in anything that references to either repairs or mods. What members were pointing out were the discrepencies about the info that was being supplied about doing the swap.
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Very true and well put
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I agree, but sometimes i just get upset when it just goes back and forth, back and forth.
I agree also that it is not good to leave incorrect info out there for people to read and be misguided on thier information. |
my oil pan doesn't leak.
front cover does tho haha. |
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