TII engine/transmission on GSL-SE
 

I’m thinking on putting a TII engine/transmission on my GSL-SE. I was looking for engines online and I came across these web sites:

http://www.jspecautosports.com/catal...spx?cat_id=106
http://www.rotaryshack.com/Engines/UsedEngines.asp
http://www.jdmenginescorp.com/index....ndex&cPath=1_6

Has anyone used any of these places before? What do you guys think prices, engines, etc? Is it worth it?

Where can I find a complete web site or manual or instructions on how to do a complete swap?

Thank you,

Luism12lm

Do a search. It has been covered many times.. You will be amazed at all the info on the forum during a search..

Yea do a search but I dont think there is a tread that still has pics on it to show how to mont the tranny. I was gonna do the tranny swap but the 2 or 3 treads that there was good info on the pics no longer was there.

The trans part of the swap is no big deal nick, if you need any advice ask me, i just finished getting my t2 setup in my car. As for the original posters thread, any of those japanese import sites is a gamble, I bought mine from some random site I found, it seems to be in good shape, but I havent' finished the swap so who knows if it will actually run. there is much information on here on how to actually swap the engine, do some searching and come back with more specific questions. ;)

As far as the tranny goes, it will fit no problem. But you might as well get a TII tranny so you can run the bigger clutch. The bellhousing on the SE tranny is the small flywheel housing and the TII has the larger. Trade the rear shafts and go on. As long as you have a 1st gen front housing cover and a 1 gen center iron, the motor is a drop in as well as the tranny. ECU and wiring harness and your finished.

I love how you have stated. "ECU and wiring harness and your finsished". It's not that simple to do a Turbo swap. It takes alot of research, more research, fabrication and more fabrication. And don't forget the amount of time and money that it takes to do it correctly.:)

bolting everything in is the easy part.

getting everything to work as intended....yech...im still having problems.

Excuse me? Time to go back and study before posting.

A 1st gen center iron? That would require a rebuild, and the coolant o-ring grooves do not even match up. What you are saying does not work.

Small flywheel? No, the SE has a 225 mm flywheel, the TII a 240 mm one. The earlier engines had a 215 mm fly. Mounting an SE tranny requires an aftermartket flywheel and the TII counterweight.

not to mention the first gen center iron lacks the provisions for the fuel injectors.... among other things

he might have been talking about the gsl-e's 13b center housing

Mating the tranny to the engine is no big deal. Just use a TII tranny with the swap, you'll get better results and it will bolt up to the TII engine with no problems, obviously. The problem comes when fitting a rear tranny mount and driveshaft. You will need a custom tranny mount and have a custom driveshaft fabbed up. The shifter possition is also moved back with a TII tranny.

All of which can be easily taken care of. I was able to do the shifter modification without even removing the shifter rod from the transmission. As for my trans mount I used the FC upper mount, and drilled a hole in the FB's trans crossmember for the large stud to go through. Haven't driven the car yet, but everything lined up and the engine is in there solidly.

I thought you could just swap the bellhousing and tail shaft from a FB tranny and will bolt up fine but still need a drive shaft made.

I think If you were going to use any of those websites that you listed I would go with rotaryshack.

Robert the owner, is a local here on the fourm, and im sure he would be more willing to work with you than those other guys.

A bellhousing from an FB tranny won't fit on a TII tranny no matter how hard you try!

I found this web site, has any one used this before?

http://www.rotaryresurrection.com/ro...lder/tech.html

Thank you,

Luism12lm

personally i think putting a TII motor on the gslse might dent something...

im halfway through my swap, and its really not that bad if you have some idea of what your working with. My biggest set backs are things like getting a rear main seal to stop an oil leak from the tail of the e-shaft or getting the flywheel resurfaced. Cheap things that i just need to get done.

From here im using an S4 n/a transmission. Im not going for high power levels so im not worried about shattering the transmission. And if i do, well, i have 3 more.

Most people are going to be telling you that my idea is terrible though

Right and wrong. The first gen 12A lacks the injector holes, but the 13B has them (and only them, the GSL-SE has just two injectors instead of 4 like the FC).

The tail shaft (assuming you mean tail housing) will not fit because of the different output shaft and slip yoke size (bigger). The bellhousing will not fit because it simply won't bolt up.

Yes that is Kevin Landers, he is a great guy, he rebuild my buddys TII and he swears by kevin and his work. He is also a fair and honest man from what I have heard also.

-Matt

Matt, thank you for the information, is really appreciated.

Luism12lm

I've got a TII tranny in a GSL-SE. Installing a 2nd gen tranny into a 1st gen is fairly straight forward but there are a few things that need to be done to do the swap properly. The first is the shifter location should be moved forward on the 2nd gen tranny by about an inch. It sits slightly farther back in the 2nd gen than the 1st gen and as such doesn't quite line up when a 2nd gen tranny is used in a 1st gen. Some people don't care but I do. I don't like things improvised. You will need to change/modify/build a new transmission mount. This is pretty easy to do and straight forward when you see it. You also need to have a new driveshaft made. Of course you'll need a TII clutch, flywheel (aftermarket with proper counterweight), starter, and slave cylinder. It's not that hard to do.

The way to bolt it right up so that your starter will catch the flywheel is with an rx-4 bellhousing( or any old school rx from what I hear) or you will have to grind away from the bell housing to move the starter inwards to catch the flywheel. This is from what Ive heard so Im just relaying the 411.

Don't tell me how much time it takes, I already know. ECU and Wiring harness are a blanket statement which time and fabrication is owned by the person doing the job. It's really not all that hard, just time consuming and if you know what your doing, it's not that long. Look at my 1st gen, trust me, I know how long it takes.

I believe that is what I said. however the tranny will still bolt up to any of the 7 series 13b trannys. It would just seem smarter if he were going to go that far, change the tranny to a TII and get the flywheel he needs.

Bullshit

Thank You

He is absolutely correct!!

I have changed the rear tailshaft and housing from a TII to a GSL-SE by swaping the two. I have showed this to others and they have had no problem with it.

Excuse me? Whats with the attitude, not to mention posting like 5 times in a row. Yes I realize the SE center iron has fuel injectors in it, I've been around 7's plenty long enough to know such things. The way you said it made it sound as if you could just swap any old first gen center iron and be fine. Its not even nessesary to swap center irons, I'm not sure why you would even say that in the first place... Btw, nice looking engine bay, what size turbo is that?

As I explained earlier, the center housing on a TII has 3 motor mount holes bore into it, which can eventually lead to an oil leak. The first is front mounted. You have to change the front cover, by doing this the oil pan needs to changed to the 1st pan, the TII pan has these 3 holes in it as well. Changing the center housing to match a first gen is the only way to do this job and pulling everything together to fit properly. This question was originally posted reguarding GSL-SE. IMO, this should have shed a lot of light on my first reply which everyone seemed to be blasting me for. A first gen and a GSL-SE are truely two very different cars with similar bodies.

The turbo is a T04E, great size, not too much lag and good pull when passing on the interstate. A little choppy around town, it wants to go. Thanks, I've done all my work myself, including all the fabrication. That pic is a couple of years old and the bay looks even cleaner now.

If this is true then why have I not heard of it before? In fact I think I asked about doing this once and it was thrown away as not possible.

Also, you do not need to switch out the center iron. I have a GSL-SE oil pan and 12A front cover on the 88 NA engine in my 82, and it was not a problem to bolt up. Just drill out the two holes in the oil pan then use plenty of RTV on that section. No more chance of a leak than anything else IMO.

I'll agree to you saying a SE is quite different from other first gens. I haven't heard anything about the motor mount holes leaking on a T2 center iron though, although it does seem to be logically possible. I'm in the middle of a t2 swap right now, and I am going off what I have done, that is using a SE front cover and oil pan to mount the engine. I didn't change anything else and it has come together fine. I guess other than the potential for oil leaks from the mount bolt holes I still don't see why you would need to change the center housing though...

To you it might seem like it is straight forward and you may know how to do wiring. And I did not tell you how much time it takes to do one. So get off your soap box there. To make it sound like it is an easy job to a new member or even a existing member is not accurate picture.

Like I stated before it takes alot of research, planning and not to mention the mechanical apptitude to tackle the job..

Just because I can tear a motor down in 15 minutes does not mean it is that easy for everyone. That's why alot of turbo projects are abandoned and alot of members have paid someone else to do the work. Not everyone is capable of just diving into certain repairs or mods and making them happen. Someone pursuing a Turbo swap needs to be fully informed on what all is involved and the pitfalls they may encounter before they start the project.

I too was under the impression that nothing was interchangable between transmissions without modification. I also don't see why you need to change anything (with exception of the shiter tower that is) To mount mine I used the upper t2 mount and drilled a hole in the FB crossmember, it bolted right in. What is this about drilling holes in the oil pan? All the holes on mine lined up fine. Although mine is a 90 t2, seems odd that there would be a difference though...

You do not swap out the 86+ center iron for and SE one, period. If you try that, you end up with 2 grooves, one in the iron and one in the housing. You cannot seal an engine with 2 o-rings. Apparently you did not build your own engine.

Swapping an SE oil pan on any 2nd gen engine works fine when swapping the later engines into a 1st gen body.

Your turn to be excused, lol.

STOP TALKING OUT OF YOUR ASS AND CONFUSING NEWER MEMBERS WHO ARE PROBABLY CONFUSED ENOUGH ALREADY.

You cannot use ANY 1st gen housing in conjunction with 2nd gen housings. The coolant o-rings are in a different location. End of story.

As for the pics you posted, that is a 2nd gen n/a engine (with a turbo) NOT a TII! That leads me to believe you are also running a 2nd gen n/a transmission which WILL bolt in simply by changing the tail housing and tail shaft. This is VASTLY different to installing a real TII transmission.

You have no idea what you're talking about.

^ He's got it abolsutely correct!

In the first place, you only see the top of the engine, which is a 2nd gen top. I use that because I still run the A/C and all the assy. Also, I havn't done a battery relocation and run a little larger radiator, so running intercooler pipes is prohibited from going to the other side. I have adapted the UIM and LIM from a 2nd gen I have in the shop to do what I want them to. The engine for itself is built and my mod sheet has most of what went into it listed. I assure you its not a 2nd gen motor.Its closer to a 3rd gen with some 1st gen pieces to make it mount. As for the tranny, its the GSL-SE tranny that came with the car. I'm running it until it either breaks or I have time to change it out with my other TII tranny that also gets a ACT clutch, ACT 8.8 flywheel with adapter. This is not a hard swap. I don't see why everyone is upset and making this a bigger issue than it is. The guy asked if he could mount a TII engine on a GSL-SE tranny. Yes he can. I don't see why everyone is picking at what I replied to him. The setup I run no one else seems to be running, and that doesn't bother me, in fact, I like it. The pain comes when I have a question, no one can answer it. I have to go to outside sources to people that have that kind knowledge. The car runs great and looks even better. And its been that way for 3 years now, street driving, racing and traveling. If anyone is still upset, oh well, get over it, I already have. I just tried answering the guys question. I wasn't going to go into big detail with it because everyone always crys "do a search". Then when you go do a search, you spend days trying to figure out what you really need and what you don't. Don't get me wrong, there is vast amount knowledge here, but the bickering is unnessesary. How about this, we just have all questions go to the administrators and we all just read what they want us to. It's not important to list what we have done and made work.

He was asking how to put a TII engine AND transmission into a GSL-SE.

That fact is, the advice you've given regarding engine mounting and gearbox mounting has been completely wrong.

It doesnt really matter the thread starter never asked these questions. He asked if anyone one has heard about the links he has posted above. What we thought about the prices and the places, and also for help to find how to, a simple reply of search you noob would have been better than what he has gotten

This has gotten off topic, I am not trying to be rude to anyone on here. It is great that you are trying to help out, but when it leads no where but to more back and forth fighting its not good.

-Matt

You have to remember Matt that we are passionate about our cars in the 1st gen section and also that we do not want new members or even existing members to receive info that is not correct in anything that references to either repairs or mods. What members were pointing out were the discrepencies about the info that was being supplied about doing the swap.

Very true and well put

I agree, but sometimes i just get upset when it just goes back and forth, back and forth.

I agree also that it is not good to leave incorrect info out there for people to read and be misguided on thier information.

my oil pan doesn't leak.

front cover does tho haha.