TII engine/transmission on GSL-SE
 

I’m thinking on putting a TII engine/transmission on my GSL-SE. I was looking for engines online and I came across these web sites:

http://www.jspecautosports.com/catal...spx?cat_id=106
http://www.rotaryshack.com/Engines/UsedEngines.asp
http://www.jdmenginescorp.com/index....ndex&cPath=1_6

Has anyone used any of these places before? What do you guys think prices, engines, etc? Is it worth it?

Where can I find a complete web site or manual or instructions on how to do a complete swap?

Thank you,

Luism12lm

Do a search. It has been covered many times.. You will be amazed at all the info on the forum during a search..

Yea do a search but I dont think there is a tread that still has pics on it to show how to mont the tranny. I was gonna do the tranny swap but the 2 or 3 treads that there was good info on the pics no longer was there.

The trans part of the swap is no big deal nick, if you need any advice ask me, i just finished getting my t2 setup in my car. As for the original posters thread, any of those japanese import sites is a gamble, I bought mine from some random site I found, it seems to be in good shape, but I havent' finished the swap so who knows if it will actually run. there is much information on here on how to actually swap the engine, do some searching and come back with more specific questions. ;)

As far as the tranny goes, it will fit no problem. But you might as well get a TII tranny so you can run the bigger clutch. The bellhousing on the SE tranny is the small flywheel housing and the TII has the larger. Trade the rear shafts and go on. As long as you have a 1st gen front housing cover and a 1 gen center iron, the motor is a drop in as well as the tranny. ECU and wiring harness and your finished.

I love how you have stated. "ECU and wiring harness and your finsished". It's not that simple to do a Turbo swap. It takes alot of research, more research, fabrication and more fabrication. And don't forget the amount of time and money that it takes to do it correctly.:)

bolting everything in is the easy part.

getting everything to work as intended....yech...im still having problems.

Excuse me? Time to go back and study before posting.

A 1st gen center iron? That would require a rebuild, and the coolant o-ring grooves do not even match up. What you are saying does not work.

Small flywheel? No, the SE has a 225 mm flywheel, the TII a 240 mm one. The earlier engines had a 215 mm fly. Mounting an SE tranny requires an aftermartket flywheel and the TII counterweight.

not to mention the first gen center iron lacks the provisions for the fuel injectors.... among other things

he might have been talking about the gsl-e's 13b center housing

Mating the tranny to the engine is no big deal. Just use a TII tranny with the swap, you'll get better results and it will bolt up to the TII engine with no problems, obviously. The problem comes when fitting a rear tranny mount and driveshaft. You will need a custom tranny mount and have a custom driveshaft fabbed up. The shifter possition is also moved back with a TII tranny.

All of which can be easily taken care of. I was able to do the shifter modification without even removing the shifter rod from the transmission. As for my trans mount I used the FC upper mount, and drilled a hole in the FB's trans crossmember for the large stud to go through. Haven't driven the car yet, but everything lined up and the engine is in there solidly.

I thought you could just swap the bellhousing and tail shaft from a FB tranny and will bolt up fine but still need a drive shaft made.

I think If you were going to use any of those websites that you listed I would go with rotaryshack.

Robert the owner, is a local here on the fourm, and im sure he would be more willing to work with you than those other guys.

A bellhousing from an FB tranny won't fit on a TII tranny no matter how hard you try!

I found this web site, has any one used this before?

http://www.rotaryresurrection.com/ro...lder/tech.html

Thank you,

Luism12lm

personally i think putting a TII motor on the gslse might dent something...

im halfway through my swap, and its really not that bad if you have some idea of what your working with. My biggest set backs are things like getting a rear main seal to stop an oil leak from the tail of the e-shaft or getting the flywheel resurfaced. Cheap things that i just need to get done.

From here im using an S4 n/a transmission. Im not going for high power levels so im not worried about shattering the transmission. And if i do, well, i have 3 more.

Most people are going to be telling you that my idea is terrible though

Right and wrong. The first gen 12A lacks the injector holes, but the 13B has them (and only them, the GSL-SE has just two injectors instead of 4 like the FC).

The tail shaft (assuming you mean tail housing) will not fit because of the different output shaft and slip yoke size (bigger). The bellhousing will not fit because it simply won't bolt up.

Yes that is Kevin Landers, he is a great guy, he rebuild my buddys TII and he swears by kevin and his work. He is also a fair and honest man from what I have heard also.

-Matt

Matt, thank you for the information, is really appreciated.

Luism12lm

I've got a TII tranny in a GSL-SE. Installing a 2nd gen tranny into a 1st gen is fairly straight forward but there are a few things that need to be done to do the swap properly. The first is the shifter location should be moved forward on the 2nd gen tranny by about an inch. It sits slightly farther back in the 2nd gen than the 1st gen and as such doesn't quite line up when a 2nd gen tranny is used in a 1st gen. Some people don't care but I do. I don't like things improvised. You will need to change/modify/build a new transmission mount. This is pretty easy to do and straight forward when you see it. You also need to have a new driveshaft made. Of course you'll need a TII clutch, flywheel (aftermarket with proper counterweight), starter, and slave cylinder. It's not that hard to do.

The way to bolt it right up so that your starter will catch the flywheel is with an rx-4 bellhousing( or any old school rx from what I hear) or you will have to grind away from the bell housing to move the starter inwards to catch the flywheel. This is from what Ive heard so Im just relaying the 411.

Don't tell me how much time it takes, I already know. ECU and Wiring harness are a blanket statement which time and fabrication is owned by the person doing the job. It's really not all that hard, just time consuming and if you know what your doing, it's not that long. Look at my 1st gen, trust me, I know how long it takes.

I believe that is what I said. however the tranny will still bolt up to any of the 7 series 13b trannys. It would just seem smarter if he were going to go that far, change the tranny to a TII and get the flywheel he needs.