Atkins Mama

220.00 for the apex seals and 76.00 for the springs (86+ style)
or 49.50 for 12a springs..........

Our springs are OEM Mazda.......

Here is the group buy offer https://www.rx7club.com/group-buy-center-69/apex-seals-special-offer-536410/

nick812

I have bought all my other parts from atkins. Josh was great. The group buy said it was the may special if i call can i still get them for that price?

BlastinSideways12A

I payed around 375-400 for the springs and seals from the dealer, if I can find the receipt i'll let you know the exact amount. I am losing money by selling them for 325 shipped but I'm really strapped right now as I am starting classes in 3 weeks and already building an NA 4 port 13B with EFI. I'm down to only one RX7 so I don't need 2 engines and I already have all of the EFI hardware for the TII block so thats what I'm using.

z-beater

FJD please do your research before saying something like this. I have a "inside source" that has worked with Atkins and their seals before(operative words being WITH ATKINS). Dave, the owner does not even know what they are made of.

I understand your theory with coca-cola and in no way am I asking Atkins to reveal their secert or lack there of. I just know...

If they work for you that is great they are a cheap seal. Now is correct though, the Atkins seal is a softer seal.

I still stand my my comment, how can you compare a product with NO R&D to a Mazda certified piece?

neektar

iTrader: (2)

it's true. For high performance get some atkins apex seals. I just sent in a 5th order in the past 3 months. No other apex seals can hold a 200 shot of nitrous and still be used on a daily driver.

Stockers eat away at the rotorhousing like nobody's buisness.

Why else would the top drag racers in Puerto Rico run these?

The choice is yours. Just thought I'd give my input.

Atkins Dan

Yes you can still get them @ that price with no problem

nick812

Thanks for the input every1 I got 4 days to make up my mind.

dbragg

iTrader: (7)

just want to add some more seals to the debate. they say theyre GUARENTEED not to break, but they also cost a lot more.

http://www.performancetestedseals.com/index.html

Atkins Dan

Z How can ANY business make parts and not know what there are made of???? David Atkins DOES know what ALL OF HIS PARTS are made of and the way he thinks {just as I do,} If you want to copy them than you have to do your own homework .. If you dont think WE {MEANING Atkins Rotary} have a lot of time and R&D than how come most of the TOP racers use Atkins seals and there ditching mazda's seals left and right???


Dan

now

iTrader: (1)

wow canadians are still getting a better deal than you guys, and thats after the
prices went way up in the last 5 weeks!
I cant say what price i am getting them at, but full retail is 59 ea canadian
so take it from there.
matt

Blake

Yes, they don't break; they warp. You fix them with a hammer between runs. Read the testimonials they post on their site, if you don't believe me.

Racing is not a very good basis to judge any apex seal, unless you are ONLY racing. Those race motors don't have to last 100K+ miles nor have great start-up compression. They are usually run only at high RPMs, are lubricated with premix and get torn down periodically for freshening.

I stand by my statement that Mazda OEM seals are heads and shoulders better than any aftermarket metallic seal. There are no aftermarket apex seals we have seen even approach 100K miles...most are done by 50K if not sooner. Some are very hard on the rotor housings, some are very fragile, some have very poor start-up compression. Believe it or don't...I'm just sharing our opinion, based on many years in the engine rebuilding business. Your mileage may vary. We don't manufacture apex seals, so you might want to take that into consideration.

Just my $0.02.

j9fd3s

iTrader: (3)

mazdausa adds a little extra to internal rotary parts, it seems.

razorback

call it the rotary tax.

similiar to the hemi tax, just not as steep.

z-beater

Dan, it is easy. You take a shot in the dark and hope you get lucky. In your case this worked, I am happy for you. And relax I am not saying that your seal is worthless. Just that for the majority of people it is not useful. Each seal has its application. If the "top" drag racers use your seal, great. I am glad that you have a cusatomer base that follows you.

Answer this then Dan... does Jeff Turentine know what that are made of? Also answer me this, why don't you sell his video anymore?

Dan, I am not here to argue with you. We could go back and forth until both of us are blue in the face but what good would that do? I am here to state the facts, simple as that. I will not see any more of my fellow rotorheads get screwed by your company. Explain to the rest of the community why the NW no longer supports you and why most of us have moved over to nopistons.

Z

nick812

OK i was the 1 who started this tread an just wanna state I was reallly looking to see what other companys made seals? How much seals where going for from other companys. What every1 was Running in there car and how long the have been running them and if the rortor housings still looked good after using them. I am inbetween Atkins and Rotary Avation.

dbragg

iTrader: (7)

blake-- i know. i read the whole page. id never go with those seals. i just wanted to see what others had to say. i vote for OEM, or atkins if youre on a budget

NOPR

you want OEM. dont be a cheapass. you have a streetported n/a 12a, its not anything past what OEM seals can handle.

Latin270

Ha ha ha! I still have to say Atkins is the way to go! At the Pan AMs most of the guys I spoke with said thats all they use and I personally seen a motor with over 85k miles still running strong with Atkins seals, along with a Mazda B2200 that hauls engines and parts all day long and no problems. My motors have Atkins seals and again no problem. To say oem seals are superior is great but thats your opinion. I've seen MANY MANY stock engines blown before they got to 60k in the past. So to say that they are better isnt fact IMHO!

680RWHP12A

are you seroius?! how do you know no r&d went into making thier apex seals? lol thats the dumbest thing ive ever heard!! they proabably dont want you to know what the seals are made of, who cares anyway, the seals they sell work good, bottom line!

obviosly you have never built a motor with thier seals and ran it hard, well i have with great results..


i would go with atkins, ra seals or even hurley.. they all work great.. its like choosing a beer, some like light beers, some like dark beers, some even like ales, its a matter of personal preferance


cheers

blwfly

iTrader: (4)

awsome thread

maybe we should just use a poll lol thatl solve the argument whos better

kettlman

iTrader: (2)

well, all i have to say in this is do a search. that usually helps alot. but not just in here. search over at www.nopistons.com also. i've heard good and bad about all kinds of seals. i've SEEN good and bad. so do a good search and see what you find. i have heard real good results about hurley seals, and even oem.

Atkins Dan

First off I did NOT "take a shot in the dark" my prove a point..

Second I have clue what Turentine knows and does not know. AGAIN DO YOUR OWN DAMN HOMEWORK!!!!!!! as for his video @ the time we were selling it I was getting call arter call on stuff he was doing in his video and my clients were asking if I did the same thing in my own rebuilds, even after I put a disclamer in the tape and DVD's its self... That is why AtkinsRotary made their own...

Now about the NW clan WE had a problem with a client That I WILL NOT DISCUSS AS THAT IS A CLOSED TOPIC............. SO GET PAST IT AND MOVE ON as it has been over A YEAR LATER!!!!!!!!!

Z-Beater if you think I am the worst business in the planet than WHY did you come and ask me\AtkinsRotary for parts about a month ago?????????


Later
Dan Atkins

z-beater

680, I am shocked. I considered you to be a professional type of person. I can only assume that this is a post that was a mistake. And I also said that I did not expect them to release their secret. I also stated that I was happy for them. If it works, great. But I am also entitled to my opinion.

And YES, I do have a resource. And YES they are credible. I actually have a few sources that were previous Atkins Employees. And yes I have built motors.

And I do support the last comment of your post. As I stated before to each his own.

Z

z-beater

Dan, as stated before I am not here to argue with you. But your assertions about me or my statments are incorrect. I am happy for you, why can't you see that? And yes until about a month ago I did consider myself a customer of Atkins. Was I going to buy your Apex seals? NO. Why because I had already purhased a set of OEM seals from Pineapple and your seal did not fit my criteria. I still stand by my comment on OEM seals. If people want to read more I encourage you to go to the GG/BG section here on RX7 club and search atkins. I have created a thread there on my personal experience.

And there has been more than one instance. The instance that you speak of was the only one that someone bothered to take to court(with you being the loser). I am not just speaking on this but all others as well. For all other Rotorheads information there is a thread in the NW section at nopistons.com that is titled Anti-Atkins. Feel free to read more over there as well. There is a lot more going on than anyone from Atkins shares.

Dan, I am not here to fight with you. And I apologize if I came across that way. But I am also entitled to my opinion as well.

Z

Atkins Dan

That is all you have given in this thread and you have NOT GIVEN ANY FACTS if you have any facts than please prove yourself....
However you are right about ONE thing and that is you are entitled to your own opinion....

Dan