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Old 01-11-06, 11:52 AM
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Supercharger ?s

Where Could I Find A Good Supercharger For A First Gen And How Much Power Would That Give Me And Does Anyone Have One
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http://www.camdensuperchargers.com/
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I Guess You Can Find One At Camden....Look At CodeBlues Setup....Go For The 12 Inch SuperCharger, I Don't Know Why, But It'll Look Cool....lol....
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Most people would tell you to go turbo. I bought a superchargher and then after doing a search on superchargers on this web site I came to realize the pros and cons of each. I ended up selling my supercharger before I ever installed it.
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Most people would tell you to go turbo. I bought a superchargher and then after doing a search on superchargers on this web site I came to realize the pros and cons of each. I ended up selling my supercharger before I ever installed it.

we're really not gonna start up the supercharger vs. turbo argument again are we? before you post any argument about this please search for yourself and see how many times this has been argued.
Old 01-11-06, 08:57 PM
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Bang for the buck, turbo=more net hp, s/c gives great low and midrange torque and nice driveability. You'd love a charger, however a turbo will get better 1/4 times.
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Originally Posted by inuissus_cendi
we're really not gonna start up the supercharger vs. turbo argument again are we? before you post any argument about this please search for yourself and see how many times this has been argued.


its too late...its already started...I am sold on turbo %100...for your dollar value on just about every aspect a turbo gives more of a punch
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Wait a minute guys...this has been debated over and over. SOLDIER7 asked questions about superchargers...he didn't ask for a comparison of blowers vs. turbos.

Just my $0.02.

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seriously, we gotta stop it before it gets out of hand.
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Well I have one of each. 1979 supercharged efi/ecu and a 1985 GSL SE Turbo'd

If you want to get a supercharger go to Camdensuperchargers.com

Honestly there is a big difference in HP between the both. My turbo would probably smoke my supercharged car, but does that matter to me. NO. Damn if I dont love the sound and feel that my Camden Supercharged car gives me. Its a different feeling when you drive a supercharged car vs Turbo. Do you want low end? and a torque machine, then Go supercharged.

If your looking for more HP, then definetly go Turbo. Turbos are easier to keep cool, and the price is much lower.

Ive dyno'd the blower at 212hp, and now expect a tad more since my engine has been ported a bit more and some good tuning put on it. But probably not much more. If you dare to be different then go supercharged. It turns eyes much more than my turbo'd car. If you want I also can show you some vids and pics of my setup before making up your mind.

Your safe bet on superchargers would be Atkins(camden). They do warranty the blowers usually without question. Tech support for most of us is very good. Superchargers are less complicated.

So join us in the Supercharged club...huh rich...lol

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like code blue 2 said...your best and safest bet would almost undoubedtly be Atkins(camden)...and no doubt the sound from a supercharger will turn heads...now I'm going to suggest something that will make a turbo turn heads...depending on what setup you have you could use a blow-off valve...most people get them just for the sound they make when you change gears...but they do have a practical application which in the long run saves the life of your turbo by lessening the back pressure...so if your looking for a head turner...either will do...if your looking for most whp for your dollar...do a cheap port...buy a microtech...and get a turbo
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i just bought a supercharger kit and im getting the fuel injection on it as well the supercharger came from camden i added stainless steel hosed for the charger and i upgraded fan to a black magic 180 for better cooling i also added cooling mist methanol/water injection also for cooling the efi is being made by robert at rotary shack with a microtech lt8-s and i tell you i cant wait to get it all put in if you have any question ask code blue , i got all my information from andy at camden and rober at rotaryshack he is really good with tech support and helping you reach your power goal. good luck with your project and like code blue said welcome to the sc band.
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CodeBlue, what PSi are you running on your blower? Also, have you had any problems with over-heating? You have a 13B, right?

There was a guy from Alabama that posted on here with a Camden. He said he was having a hell of a time keeping it cool.

As much as I'd love to go supercharged, I just don't know how well it would work in the Louisiana heat...
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Originally Posted by clean85owner
CodeBlue, what PSi are you running on your blower? Also, have you had any problems with over-heating? You have a 13B, right?

There was a guy from Alabama that posted on here with a Camden. He said he was having a hell of a time keeping it cool.

As much as I'd love to go supercharged, I just don't know how well it would work in the Louisiana heat...
Im running 10 psi on my supercharged 13B 79. Yes I did have some problems back in the summer with overheating big time. I have a Microtech/efi setup on the car and damn if my fuel regulator, fuel pump would heat up, and cause my Microtech to shut my car down.

When I had the carb'd setup on the car, there was only minor heat issues.

The temps here in Eastern WA reach close to 100 in the summer time, so I dont see any problem with Louisiana's heat if you take precautions. I went crazy replacing the regulator and fuel pump, and troubleshooting things.

So we finally figured it was heat issues. I almost resorted to cutting my hood up to put in a modded scoop, which still isnt a bad idea. When I drove with the hood opened, the car ran ok, didnt over heat. So we knew it was all about heat.

We heat wrapped the header really good, got a good strong e-fan to blow from the outside of the radiator that mounts to the outside of the radiator, sucking air into the engine bay. Changed the stock clutched fan to an 86 clutched fan, and have a modded heat shield under the blower itself. Tuning is a big part of the over heating problems that some of these setups have. So if your car is NOT tuned right, your going to have heat issues.

After all the above and a good tune, my car is staying very cool. In fact cooler than my turbo'd car that has an inner cooler.

Its a very frustrating road with these blowers sometimes, but once you get all the quirks out, its well worth the trouble in the end.
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supercharger for auto cross turbo for fun
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A properly sized turbo will beat any of the camden supercharged cars in autocross or any other track event.

The only excuse to get the Camden unit is if you want to be unique, you don't care about how you blow your money, or you're incapable of making your own kit or paying someone to do it, but still have a lot of money.

Overall, the camden units are probably the worse supercharger kit ever, if you've got more money and some time retrofit a different charger on it and you'll be much better off. (preferably a twin-screw). In my opinion, the unique factor and the so called 'low-end' torque (and the flat curve) from a camden unit isn't worth the cost, nor is the whine from the charger (if you're that in love with it put a mp3 on a loop).

It's also fun to note, that a GT35R makes more torque from 2K rpm up than the camden does, have yet to see a dyno that shows less than 2K rpm so I can't comment on anything lower.
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Originally Posted by SonicRaT
A properly sized turbo will beat any of the camden supercharged cars in autocross or any other track event.

The only excuse to get the Camden unit is if you want to be unique, you don't care about how you blow your money, or you're incapable of making your own kit or paying someone to do it, but still have a lot of money.

Overall, the camden units are probably the worse supercharger kit ever, if you've got more money and some time retrofit a different charger on it and you'll be much better off. (preferably a twin-screw). In my opinion, the unique factor and the so called 'low-end' torque (and the flat curve) from a camden unit isn't worth the cost, nor is the whine from the charger (if you're that in love with it put a mp3 on a loop).

It's also fun to note, that a GT35R makes more torque from 2K rpm up than the camden does, have yet to see a dyno that shows less than 2K rpm so I can't comment on anything lower.
I was wondering where the heck you were. Nice to see you SonicRT
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Originally Posted by SonicRaT
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Overall, the camden units are probably the worse supercharger kit ever, if you've got more money and some time retrofit a different charger on it and you'll be much better off. (preferably a twin-screw). In my opinion, the unique factor and the so called 'low-end' torque (and the flat curve) from a camden unit isn't worth the cost, nor is the whine from the charger (if you're that in love with it put a mp3 on a loop).

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I disagree. Atleast you can actually make the camden work. The Vortech supercharger kit that came out for the Ford Contour a few years ago had nearly 100% failure rate. That, I think, would have to be the worst supercharger kit ever.
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i was thinking of retrofitting like a vortech s trim that i had from my last mustang
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ohhhh noooooo, that would be a waste of fabrication. it would lag worse than a turbo setup
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code blue did you try going with a water injection system that would have solve the heating issue much faster as far as wrapping the header that could cause the header to cristalize and break i would go with the safer water/methanol injection.
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Originally Posted by clean85owner
I disagree. Atleast you can actually make the camden work. The Vortech supercharger kit that came out for the Ford Contour a few years ago had nearly 100% failure rate. That, I think, would have to be the worst supercharger kit ever.
LOL, I don't know, I've seen a LOT of camden chargers implode on themselves. I wonder what ever happened to pianoprodigy's comparison of supercharger dynos, that was an interesting read.
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sonic rat why you hating so much on camden do you own one ? If not why be so negative granted this is not the best mod you can do on your car but it is fun for some of us. im not hating on you just giving my 0.2 cents


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