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Old Jan 11, 2005 | 04:04 PM
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I went there AGAIN

Push started it and let it warm up

Noticed idle was something like 1300.

Adjusted it to 750 and rev it up a little.

Tried to adjust the idle mixture but was not sure of what I was doing.

Anyways, turned of, and back on.... guess what..... IT STARTED. HINT: it required to press the gas all the way down (what does this mean?)

it runned a while and then tried the same thing.... but this time was close to start... but no.

Any new ideas?
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Old Jan 11, 2005 | 04:16 PM
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another hint

if you pull the choke on idle, it dies.
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Old Jan 11, 2005 | 04:21 PM
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I remember back when I had the dellorto, I would pump the gas 3 time before starting it. It always worked though
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Old Jan 11, 2005 | 06:12 PM
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Don't use the choke.
When you are first attempting a start after sitting for 12 hours, pump all the way to the floor two times. On the second time, hold the pedal down and crank.

How have you been attempting to start it?
I read through as per your PM, but I can't think of anything that these guys havn't already mentioned.
Sight glasses are good- 1/2 way, but keep an eye on that. Seems like the carb is good.
That leaves spark. Seems like that's strong, though perhaps you don't have the correct plugs in, or they are gapped too far?
(Not really my area- don't know much about ignition tricks).

So that leaves (perhaps) incorrect starting procedure?

I agree with RTEC & joeracer regarding the oil- It's very important that it remains viscous. Just a little bit of fuel will completely wreck the oil's sealing ability.
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Old Jan 11, 2005 | 06:53 PM
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Originally Posted by Sterling
Don't use the choke.
When you are first attempting a start after sitting for 12 hours, pump all the way to the floor two times. On the second time, hold the pedal down and crank.

How have you been attempting to start it?
I read through as per your PM, but I can't think of anything that these guys havn't already mentioned.
Sight glasses are good- 1/2 way, but keep an eye on that. Seems like the carb is good.
That leaves spark. Seems like that's strong, though perhaps you don't have the correct plugs in, or they are gapped too far?
(Not really my area- don't know much about ignition tricks).

So that leaves (perhaps) incorrect starting procedure?

I agree with RTEC & joeracer regarding the oil- It's very important that it remains viscous. Just a little bit of fuel will completely wreck the oil's sealing ability.
Thank you Sterling

2morrow (if work lets me) I will replace the oil and replace the 4 electrode sparks for NGK ones...

And I will try again

Please remember, this is my first sight of a rotary. Am I supposed to start it that way cold? how bout warm?

Thanks again!
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Old Jan 11, 2005 | 07:31 PM
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What kind of temperature are you at?
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Old Jan 11, 2005 | 10:52 PM
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Originally Posted by Sterling
Don't use the choke.
When you are first attempting a start after sitting for 12 hours, pump all the way to the floor two times. On the second time, hold the pedal down and crank.
Sterling,
That is a really nice tip. I have a starting problem after letting the car sit for
over 12 hours. The less the car has been sitting the easier it starts. So i will
use that tip, thanks!

How does it work?
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Old Jan 11, 2005 | 11:44 PM
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Old Jan 12, 2005 | 02:01 AM
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Originally Posted by Sterling
What kind of temperature are you at?
the weather over here is around 30cº everyday
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Old Jan 12, 2005 | 05:49 AM
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Can you describe to us,what you do before atempting to start it?

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Old Jan 12, 2005 | 07:11 AM
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Originally Posted by -xlr8planet-
the weather over here is around 30cº everyday
Ohhh, very nice! But you don't need to use your choke.
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Old Jan 12, 2005 | 02:34 PM
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Originally Posted by Sterling
Ohhh, very nice! But you don't need to use your choke.
ok, thats good to know.

How do I start the car when warmed up?

And one thing... is normal for it to die if you choke it when warm? (at idle)

What does it mean? what causes that?

Thanks once again Sterling
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Old Jan 12, 2005 | 06:44 PM
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From: Trying to convince some clown not to put a Holley 600 on his 12a.
If the engine is warm, you should be able to just press the accelerator down half way and hold it while you crank it.

In any case, if you have pressed the pedal all the way down more than about 8 or 10 times while trying to start it and it has not at least coughed, you've flooded it and you should continue to try to start it but NOT pressing the pedal.

Every time you press the accelerator down you inject raw fuel into the throat of the carb.

As for the choke, yes it's normal for the car to die if it's warm and you pull it out. If your idle is tuned a bit lean, you can pull the choke out and the engine won't die, but it'll still sound like it's about to.


Rx7Carl and I modify Nikki carbs for racing and street use, and unless someone asks, we don't put the choke on. We retain the fast idle linkage on street cars so that the choke **** serves the purpose of kicking up the idle for warming up the car, but that's all.
It gets a couple degrees below 0 C here in New York in the winter (though not too often), and I have no problems starting my car without a choke.
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Old Jan 13, 2005 | 01:06 AM
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Sterling saves the day! :-)

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Here is the 2 pics as requested :They were taken by the local race comunity,i`ll take some more if you like ?

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