I found a 13b t2 and tranny for 500 on cl, worth buying? Opinions?


http://anchorage.craigslist.org/pts/3023782948.html


Thanks guys,

 

Btw, I have an 84 12a. I've heard it's super hard to to a swap yourself. If I bought a non running 7, would it be hard to do just a straight swap? Thanks

 

I learned to not trust people on Craig List especially if they don't have pictures of what they are selling.
But from the parts list you will be getting it might be worth the gamble. Some of the parts will make up your loss if you do get screwed when you open her up.

 

Can anyone direct me to a thread on how to do a 13b t2 swap for an 84 12a?

 

Sure, it is very easy....use the SEARCH button

 

Whats hard about this swap??

Stick engine/transmission in.... Bolt to rear end or make a tranaxle to fit... Make or buy motor mounts.... Make or buy wire harness...

The motor should fit. (granted I'm novice in the rotary department) BUT an engine is an engine. and I don't think this is any larger than your car's engine bay.



But at any rate buy it thats a hell of a steal.

 

That is not a TII engine, if the seller is correct it is a REW.

This is considerably more involved than a TII swap, as the oil pan holes are a bit different.

I THINK you can drill/tap the block for the appropriate holes, but search to verify. You should be able to use the GSL-SE oil pan and front cover to essentially make it bolt in.

Another thing to consider is the REW uses a different style clutch than other rx-7s. you may need an adapter.

That said, the price is right. If you are not very mechanically inclined this will be an uphill battle. In the realm of engine swaps however, total cake to do. It IS possible to make it fit with all stock parts, the question is, which stock parts and what needs creativity to fit.

I'm not telling you it's easy or even intuitive, I'm simply saying that if you've ever tried to swap a dissimilar engine into a car before, it's usually 2-3 echelons of difficulty above the hardest rotary swap.

 

Not to go off topic, but couldn't you just re work the cross member?

EDIT: Ahhhhhh steerage linkage would get in the way....

 

Start by removing the front oil pump cover on the Tll.. swap it for a 1984-85 se front cover ( gives you 4 oil lines instead of 2 from 12a ..then flatten out your 12 a front steel motor mount a little or swap for a se front mount it will allow for the 3/4 inch longer engine.. this will allow you to install the new engine normally unless you want to use a turbo trans(and you should) its stronger.. then you will have to fabricate a new. trans mount,as well you can swap the shifter extension for a N/A extension if you wish to locate your shifter in the original shifter hole .it takes some time but gives you a stock location for the shifter.,.for the drive shaft either custom build one or use a 86-91 at drive shaft its a little short but will work in a pinch..for the wiring(cut) a large section of turbo harness that plugs into the computer Yellow plug .. from the harness of the Tll car as you will need this to hook up all your sensors as well as powering up your computer..the rest is simple good luck..ps after you get it in.., you will notice it does not stop very well..thats when its time for the Tll brake swap

 

Don't tell people that..... Just exit the thread if you don't want to help me. I obviously searched. I found a bunch of links, was just asking someone's opinion for the best one.

Thanks for your productivity

 

Wacky said to search because these swaps have been done numerous times. The swap wont be some over night quicky, its gonna take some time, a little fabrication and a **** ton of wiring. There is no best thread on how to do it, take some time and read as many threads involving these swaps as you come across, you will begin to see some commonalities and many differences in execution.

 

You just redrill the holes in the oil pan. Otherwise it's no different from a TII swap.

If you swap in the REW transmission things could get weird because of the different clutch hydraulics (I haven't looked into it myself), but you could always sell the tranny and do a TII tranny swap instead if necessary. Or you could just pick up an S5 NA flywheel and use the stock tranny. You'll want to upgrade your clutch to hold the power, though.

 

I believe I currently have a Kevlar clutch. Would I have to swap that out for the engine to go in?


Could someone explain the diff between an rew and TII
I searched already to anyone out there that is going to tell me to do that

 

Ok man, eventually you have to draw a line. If you're asking that you obviously HAVE NOT searched. Here's a tip: searching for things such as "delicious pastries" will not tell you the difference between an REW or a TII. You might check out a FC or FD FAQ thread or search REW swap.

 

If you use the 12A transmission, you can use your current clutch disc and pressure plate. It will require you to get an S5 NA flywheel (or corresponding rear counterweight and an aftermarket flywheel).

Be aware that the 12A transmission is not as strong as a TII or REW transmission. It's quite possible you'll end up breaking it, especially if you abuse it.

 

Respect will get you somewhere, this won't. The search button is often ignored by newer members with a common question - that's all he was trying to get across. If you search for half an hour and still can't come up with an answer then it's time to start a thread about it with an extremely detailed question.

Honestly, the swap can't be too hard - I heavily considered it myself. I mean, if guys can put 20b's into their FB's, a TII or REW swap can't be too hard. My swap will be a 13b of some sort and I'll have to spend hours of searching the forum and maybe post up a few threads for questions as well. Whatever you decide, keep us updated and people will always be here to help.

 

All depends on what a specific person finds 'hard.'

For some people, sorting out engine harness wiring on their own is a cake-walk, for others it is impossible to do without detailed illustrated instructions, sedatives, and a cheer-leading squad.

The working definition of 'technical' is, 'It's straightforward if you understand what you are doing.'

 

So I'm super confused. I thought a rew and TII both meant 2turbos. But I can't find anything for the TII. This iPad doesn't have my beloved ctrlf, so, I've read through a bunch of crap. But I did get a good laugh out of some ppl sigs. I don't ignore the search button, i just didn't ask my question correctly I guess.

I'm getting mixed responses. People tell me go for it and others tell me it's insanely hard.

 

Give it a shot.

Whats the worst that can happen? You're out $500 and you have an engine you can't use.

 

You obviously have not done much searching as you do not even know what the difference is in a REW and TII motor let alone you probably dont even know what generation rx7 they came in. Go to the FAQ in the 1st gen forum, 2nd gen forum, and the 3rd gen forum and learn some basic knowledge.

 

What DivinDriver said. It's hard to know whether to describe the swap as "easy" or "hard" when we know nothing of your technical abilities. Have you ever done an engine swap before? If not, you'll probably find it hard. How are your fabrication skills? You will have to make a custom exhaust, or have someone make it for you. Intercooler, too. Are you good with wiring? There will be a lot of that.

 

TII is a generation 2 single Turbo rotary engine . Code 13B.

13BREW is a 3rd generation TWIN Turbo rotary engine. Cool?

 

the Turbo II was the second turbo Rx7, but it only has one turbo. the REW engine is twin turbo.

$500 for a complete REW is a good deal, if its running (and not in alaska) its worth more than $500!

it is more harder to put the REW in an FB, but you could always part out/resell it, and make a few bucks

 

With all due respect if you are posting asking differences between the variants of 13b's etc then you aren't ready to do a swap like that. It is quite a lot of work and money to do right, as been said you've got the wiring, the intercooler, working the cooling system around the intercooler, adapting the fuel system to EFi, modifiying the transmission mount, getting a driveshaft made....

Get familiar with what you've got then work upwards from there, we all started at the same place.

 

I was looking for this kind of response. Thanks.

And I can weld and have a bud that has a shop and drill presses and etc.

Never done engine swap etc, nor wiring.


Golden, I do have basic knowledge, please do not insult me. I'm 18 , none of my friends care about cars in general let alone 7's. They don't believe that my cars doesn't use pistons,

I have an 84 fb 12a, I have msd ignition, k&k air filter, rebuilt 12a, aftermarket fan, a decent interior if I can say so myself, Kevlar clutch, and back half of my exhaust is aftermarket, ( previous owner did that part so not really sure how good it is or not)

Anyways, cut me a break, I just wanted to know if I was going to be in over my head, all you had to say was yeah, not tell me to gtfo.

You don't learn to swim by watching videos, and you sure as he'll don't learn by diving in the ocean by yourself. And I'm not trying to be rude or have an attitude or be disrespectful or anything like that. It's just people could spend the exact same energy typing the diff rather than typing search it. I did, I was confused.


Needless to say I'm just not gonna buy the engine. Thanks for all your guys' input


-Curtis