Rebuilds are sketchy.
 

Just like babies. Keep that in mind.

Also...56K beware

So I finally decided it's time to rebuild the 12a, and figured I'd make a build thread about it.

Backstory, you say? I can provide.

I bought the car about a year ago for 1300 from a guy here in town, with a dowel pin o-ring leak. I tried a few stop-leak products, but never had the balls to drill into the rotor housing for the supposed end-all to the leak. Over time, the leak got worse, etc until the car was changing its own oil every two weeks-ish; so I figured it's due for a rebuild.

What are my goals, you ask?
Rebuild 12a, maybe a streetport.
Rebuilt/stripped nikki carb (to be replaced by a sterling or weber down the line, I'm undecided).
Proper fuel system, as opposed to the crappy pump and regulatorless-ness I've got now.
Eliminate all the random unnecessary wires in the engine bay (live in SC, emissions are nonexistent).

Sounds boring, right? It will be, for you guys, at least. But it will keep me occupied, and the car will come out better than it was, which is what I care about.

Now onto the fun part...pictures!
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And any work aside from the actual assembly will be done here. On a ping-pong table.
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One other thing to decide on doing while you're there - Buy 2 (two) 20mm freeze plugs and tap them into your coolant passages (passages on your engine) that run into the intake manifold. The main idea behind this is to NOT heat up your intake (which does help with colder weather BTW) and also for the "just in case" you need to remove your intake manifold for whatever reason you wont spill coolant everywhere. Also you wont have to worry about the stupid O-rings going out and then your engine ingesting it.

I did this and am glad I did.

Actually, that's on the list of things to do, I just didn't mention it. I replaced them a few months ago, and one of them was already cut when I pulled the intake off today(fortunately it was still chillin in it's spot)

Another thing I would suggest is a lighter flywheel. It makes a huge difference. No, it doesnt add HP (many threads on this, dont want to get into it here). I bought the RB light steel flywheel - love it. Worth the money easy.

Might I recommend the 85psi rear oil pressure regulator while you're in there?

I bought a 10gallon parts washer from Harbor Freight for $49. Invaluable for cleaning. Left parts in there with 1 gallon of Castrol purple power (or equivalent 'industrial strength purple' cleaner from Home Depot) and 8 gallons of water overnight. Scrub with green Scotch Brite and brass brushes and you're golden. Don't use Purple or Simple Green with aluminum rotor housings, it'll eat them. Simple Green does make a product that works with aluminum though, in a blue bottle. Purple eats bearings but they should be replaced anyways esp. since your motor had an oil leak.

Impact wrench works great for disassembly too.

Be very careful with the side seals...they need to be spec'd just right if you replace them. I threw away a couple because I shaved off a little too much...

Good call on the freeze plugs on the intake...I did not do this and had to remove the intake...it was a pain to deal with draining the coolant and then filling it back up.

With a new motor and paint, it'll be a quick little sportster for a cheap price. Enjoy the process!

Fill the ACV port with quicksteel or equivilant putty if blocking the coolant ports with 20mm freeze plugs. The goal is to keep the manifold cool, right? Not to heat it up? This should always be mentioned along with advice about freeze plugs. Always on FB engines with active ACV ports '81-'85.

ACV port is the small horizontal port in the middle of the intake, correct?

Edit: Thanks for all the support as well; hopefully I won't muck this up too bad.

What is this 85psi rear oil pressure regulator you speak of?

Anyway, didn't get much work done today, removed spark plugs and the oil pan/pump pickup, as well as finally made a detailed list of everything I want to get done on the car. Camera batteries are dead, so I'll upload some pictures in the next few days.

http://racingbeat.com

Oil Pressure Regulator - Street 80-85 PSI

Part Number: 11810
Retail Price: $99.00
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The Mazda Competition Department Street High Performance Rear Oil Pressure Regulator interchanges exactly with the stock rear oil pressure regulator on all 1971-2010 12A, 13B, and 20B engines. It is designed to bypass at 80-85 PSI, making it well suited to street high performance use. With later engines--the 1993-95 13B Twin Turbo, for example--the factory rear oil pressure regluator bypasses at a higher pressure level than the 80-85 psi rating. Bear this in mind when selecting the appropriate rear oil pressure regulator for your configuration

If you are going to get a higher pressure oil presser regulator, just buy the FD one, brand new from Mazda they are about $35cdn, and are about 100psi.

Awesome thread and glad you are documenting your fun. I too will be doing this in a few months. My engine is good though, I just want to port it and do all of these little mods that everyone speaks of to make the factory engine that much more awesome.

2 questions I was going to post on no-pistons. I have never cracked into an engine on my own, so these questions might sound stupid but I am going to ask anyways...

1) I have read that people clean up the coolant area...debur it per-sa. Basically it allows cooloant to flow more easy. Not port it, just clean it up. Thoughts?

2) Port (as in remove material) in the oil pump area to increase flow. Thoughts? http://www.nopistons.com/forums/topi...oil-pump-mods/

Also, here are some good tips
http://www.nopistons.com/forums/topi...or-rebuilding/

Dam. actually, just look through the engine building section of np website. Grab some nice beers and flip through all 86 pages. I suggest starting at page 86 and work your way back. Ive drank several and I am only on page 72. Sure the pictures arent there but the reading is good. Its from the days when the internet was for information and not post whoring and/or killing time at work.

Just to walk the walk, and talk about it, I installed a set of 20mm freeze plugs from Mazdatrix (the $3.50 each ones) today in my fresh rebuild. I took a 12mm deep well socket, and a 2lbs hammer/mini sledge (same used for hitting flywheels, but if you prefer a lighter hammer, go ahead). I first applied some RTV around the inside of the coolant holes. Then tapped them in. They went it much better than the ones I installed dry in a couple other engines, which wound up dripping slightly while the manifold was off. So far on some other engines where I gooped a small amount of RTV in the holes prior to hammering them in, they never leaked. So use RTV silicone if you're adding freeze plugs. It acts like a low speed lubricant, and we can all feel good about that.

$3.50 each, ouch. For that money you can buy an entire box for the price of 2. AutoZone.

That's how much they sell them for. It's easy to throw a couple onto your order when you're ordering more expensive things.

Alright, so some progress got made today, until we got stuck :/.

Got the flywheel off as well as the water pump and front cover (covers the oil pump, name escapes me); and the oil pump itself. Flipped the engine up, pulled out the tension bolts, and that's where it sits as of now.

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Don't ask what I'm doing with my face, but we somehow managed to get the flywheel nut off with an electric impact gun.
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And we then proceeded to start taking random things off in an order that seemed like a good idea.
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For some reason, my sister(who took all the pictures) decided she'd take a few from the ground, showing off the awesome wood boards we set the engine on, before it was moved to....
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A milk crate! Blame me being poor, or something.
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This is what I'm left with, at the end of the day.
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This ring on the inside, with the tab, how does one get that out, and where do I proceed from there? I've been trying to download the FSM from foxed.ca, but it keeps timing out on me, and I've yet to come across another copy anywhere.

~Devon

the folded tab is actually the rear of the stat bearing

you need to make sure all the thru bolts are out
( including the two outside the bell housing pattern )
take note one is marked with a mazda symbol and is longer than the rest


from there you can lift out the undone rear stat bearing by sticking a screwdriver under the flange and lifting it up

after that,, the rear plate,, rotor , then lift the crank slightly to remove the centre plate etc

Thanks for the help. Unless there's some bolt that I'm completely missing, they should all be out, I'll have another crack at it tomorrow, I need sleep.

~Devon

hit the rear plate with a dead blow hammer. the sand filled orange ones. you don't have to take the rear stationary gear out first. I usually take that off once the rear plate is off. easier to tap the front of the gear with aforementioned dead blow hammer.

So...the engine is apart. And scattered across my garage. But I'm pretty sure I didn't screw anything up too bad(or at all) and the housings don't look too terrible. I apologize for the awful pictures, all I had was my cameraphone. I'll put up decent ones once I get everything cleaned up, will probably take a few days.

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Here's my ingenious idea for holding the through bolts in order; I can almost guarantee they'll end up getting knocked onto the garage floor within a week.
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Alright, so some minor progress was made over the last week, I suppose. I took the irons and housings up to my old job last Thursday (auto shop at the local tech college) to throw in their chemical cleaner. Parts cleaned up pretty good, I've still gotta take the rotors and eccentric shaft up there, as well as the front cover and intake. Then the measuring begins....oh joy.

Anyway, here's some pictures; seeing as this is the first time I've actually pulled one apart, I've got no idea if the housings are actually any good. Input is very much appreciated.

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This is the only example of any such chipping on either housing
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And then, since I'm cool (read: lamesauce) I decided to sticker the car a bit.
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And finally, I decided that the irons will be painted grabber green, so I guess I'll be painting the bay as well; probably battleship gray or some such. I'm not sure, any suggestions?

~Devon

Since 12A housings aren't made anymore, those are considered to be in excellent shape and very useable.

Alright, that's pretty good news, you just made my day a lot better

Yes, those are very good, I am impressed. You'll have a good fresh motor after your rebuild. My 30k housings were not even quite that good and my motor runs very strong.

Give the chrome surfaces some lovin with WD-40 and green Scotchbrite.

Nothing big today, still cleaning things, trying to get the money together for the atkins kit, and doing small stuff i can afford all the while.

Pretty much the only noteworthy bit is....let the obnoxious green begin.
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You missed a spot.

Not painting the filler tube?

filler tube will be black, unless it looks terrible, in which case i'll just make it green

I'm loving that color. Keep it! Are you going to keep the car red? I know thats probably in the distant future but one can always make a wishlist:D

For now, yeah, the car will stay red. As well as the engine bay, unless I get retardedly bored. Or unless it looks much easier after i strip out the wiring. Probably stay red. I don't care, let it be christmas all year.

Small-ish update.

Got an s5 alternator and fuse box off a friend for $50 last weekend, it'll be wired in Saturday, I hope. Ordered streetport templates from mazdatrix last week, they came in wednesday(yesterday, I suppose); so that will be getting done....some time. Whenever I can get the necessary bits to do the job. Speaking of which, is there somewhere that has a fairly comprehensive list of what you need to buy to port? I've got the basic idea of how to do it (and will be researching more), but can't find anything on what to do it with, beyond air grinder/dremel.

Also, everything is painted, finally, and I put freeze plugs in the housings today. Next week will be stripping the harness as much as possible, as well as replacing the slave cylinder and hunting for a new clutch.

~Devon

I am jealous. I wish my housings looked that good. I'd consider building another 12A if I had housings that looked that good.

Wow if you all think that those housing are in prestine check these two housing i got
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Ill get more pics of them soon. They just need to be cleaned up and oiled good. They are ported. Idk what kind of port. Im thinking street port

So, figured I'd bring this POS thread back from the dead with small update. Recently, I've done pretty much nothing on the car, been busy sorting out issues with my friends 240 we built a ka-t for. Anyway, got the FC fusebox and alternator wired in, still searching for a fmoc. Big news is that I've finally gotten porting bits/tools in, as well as a steel braided clutch line. So...assuming I can figure out how to do it, motor will be getting ported this coming weekend, after all the festivities are done with.

Picture slightly related.

~D

Can I ask why the fc fuse box? Nice log btw. I plan on tearin into mine soon side seals are goin bad

FC fusebox eliminates the fusible links, or in my case inline fuses that the p/o had wired in instead of fusible links. And it looks a bit cleaner, to me.

any new things with the rebuild??

It's progressing slowly. I've started porting, and am about halfway done, but a large portion of my bits and mandrels have disappeared. One day they were in my jeep, the next they were gone..I have no idea. But the rebuild kit is in, and sitting in the garage, I plan on ordering the missing bits/mandrels this weekend and continuing work on it. I've also decided I have no interest in rebuilding and stripping the stock nikki, so I'm searching for a new carb/intake.

Other than that.....nothing new :/

~D

ive been informed by multiple people that nikki is about the best carb for the rotary. of course thats after its stripped and modded. ive heard of multiple people selling their webbers and sterlings and going back to a modded nikki

A Sterling is a modified Nikki. Yaw is another type of modified Nikki.

So, my mother has given me a mandate. I do, in fact live at home.

Anyway, the engine has to be in the car by the 26th. So I suppose it's time to get to work? Anywho, shit's happenin like mad over the next two weeks!

Sorry for the lack of posts, I purchased a 240sx daily beater/drift car and have been sinking too much time/money into it.

~Devon

I too have a '84 1st gen and a cherokee... good combo ! lol

Welp, let the porting begin.

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~D

So, how did it go?

You better finish this motor devin!

Then when you finish it give it to me so I can test it for ya :lol:

nice rebuild and keeping us up to date on things.. thUmbs up*

So, been awhile since I've been here.

12a is gone. traded it this weekend for some hot ass wheels that aren't even going on my car. Seems like a bad deal, right? That's where you're wrong; for I am losing a 12a and gaining a streetported 13bt/turbo2 trans/harness and ecu. For free.

Supposedly it made something like 375 with a TD06 20g. So i'll be headed that direction now. Updates will carry on, hopefully with more regularity.

~D

Hope you dont need to meet the same deadline now. Cuz u are now gonna have a good bit of fab work coming your way. Have fun with it tho im jelous i want to do a 13b swap.