TOUGHGUY

Exactly! Try passing emissions with a streetported rotary.


Smooth? Sure, but where's the beef? Reliable? Ummm no. Reliable is my 1987 Honda Accord with 413 000 kms on it never been apart doesn't burn oil. Reliable is my father-in-law's 1988 Silverado pick-up with 390 000 kms on it never been apart doesn't burn oil. Not even a completely babied 12A in stock form will last HALF as long! Let me see, my other cars are:
1988 Toyota 4-Runner, 265 000kms
1991 Acura Integra LS, 283 000kms
1993 Subaru Loyale AWD, 317 000kms
None of these motors have been apart! My '82 GSL with 128 000 kms needs it's second rebuild!

You know, alot of guys, myself included, like the RX7. We like that it's good looking and good handling. We like it so much we do it A FAVOUR by replacing the rotary with something with more power that will last longer and pass emissions. We do it because we want to KEEP the car and enjoy what amounts to a go-kart on steroids. And if you think V8 RX7s don't handle, you obviously never seen an E-Mod RX7! If you can't understand that, then understand this; It's my car and I'll do whatever the **** I want with it. If you're not happy with that what the **** do I care about a bunch of whinners anyways.

For **** sakes, you can never have an intelligent debate with you narrow-minded *********. You have pre-programmed responses for everything but the trouble is you all never take the time to educate yourselves about the real truths and fallacies of engine swaps. Get schooled or get lost!

so I don't ever hear you whinning bitches ever again!

Toughguy

TheWrongMotor

Read here, then talk about the (LS1) V8 not being advanced.

Uh huh!

hornbm

the basic roots of the v8 still are nothing new.

Its a old design with many moving parts, all of which can fail.

The engine ITSELF is still the same as its allways been.

TheWrongMotor

Hummm, ever wonder why it's "the same as it's always been?"

IT WORKS!

TOUGHGUY

Oh ya, and I didn't start the ******* thread! I informed bmxerbrett about where to go to ask his questions without offending anyone. You guys could have left it at that but noooooo! As predicted, you had to come out and bash him. Then you started making false statements because NONE of you have ever even done a V8 swap and you all know jack **** fuckall about one. One guy says it the lazy easy thing to do, another then says it's a MAJOR modification! DOH!

I agree, bring in the mods to close this down because we obviously can't talk about this subject here without being inundated with misinformation from the ******* know-nothings on this forum!

Toughguy

TheWrongMotor

Oh yea, how about this...

I've been an old school V8 guy, and made a lot of power out of my '87 13b Turbo as well.

So, start with under 200 hp, and try to add 200 more. Or, start with 345, and add 200 more? Which would you prefer?

Which one is going to run the longest? I loved my rotary, but damn man. Three freakin' motors (every 60k miles +/-) and still not even in the 345 range. Gimme a break, or an LS1! Oh yea, done that!

futant

umm i don't even know anyone with a rx-8 yet, hey what do ya know you don't either !!! No body is obviously swapping engines on those ****** rip off's anyway.

your comment about v8 not having any new technology is about the most assinine thing i have ever heard. What are you ****** 16 or something? You obviously know nothing about newer v8's - hello northstar cadillac small v8 's???LS1's, good god the list doesn't end with advances made. I'm not even gonna mention the overwhelming aftermarket support as well.

SUV's pollution problem - sure, wtf does that have to do with this at all . rx-7's don't weigh 5000+lbs dipshit! or have a/t tires or m/t tires either. IF you haven't seen how bad the emmissions are on rotary rx-7's - you need to come out of the closet brother and talk with the rest of the rotary clan at a minimum. Just try and pass a ported housing rotor car through the sniffer while your at it ***.

Arcknight02

these latests posts about the pushrod v8 being archaic are absolutely stupid. Do you guys think the rotary was invented with the first rx-7? cuz i got news for you, it wasnt. The rotary design has been around since the time of the steam engine, and if thats not ******* archaic I sure dont know what is. Plus like said before, if it works, dont fix it. Its not like american manufacturers are unable to make DOHC v8s, LT5 anyone? I do hope the mods lock this thread because that way less people will be able to see the benefit of the v8 conversion. Thast right our cars will be faster, maintain handling, and have better throttle response, and frankly the less amount of people that know this, the more rare and more valuable my car will be, not to mention more impressive and faster on the average. SO please, brainwash the rest of your rotary buddies so my car can be more origional, thanks for doing me the favor.

Directfreak

iTrader: (2)

A V8 is a great engine.
A Rotary is a great engine.

A rotary belongs in an RX-7, even though a V8 will fit nicely. It's been done, and done well.

I like V8 swaps, but would prefer them on a "Z" car.
Check out Hybridz.com. Lots of v8 240Z cars. I love 'em.

Nobody who is familiar with both types of engines will doubt the benefits of a nice torquey V8 in an RX-7. It is just that most of us believe that while the RX-7 is a great looking and handling sports car, it's rotary power plant is just as "cool" or important as all it's other features.

Hell, many people transplant rotaries into piston powered cars too.

Either way - some of you new tough-guys need to relax. We are all good friends on this 1st gen forum, even when we disagree. We don't need to start cussing each other out for different opinions.

We take pride in being the most civilized section on this forum, and we would like to keep it that way.

Thanks.

TOUGHGUY

Ya so, the rotary is a collection of ONLY three moving parts that DO fail!

I'll take my chances with the piston engine thanks.

Toughguy

futant

so now they're exotics huh?

TOUGHGUY

Point well taken Directfreak. I did not come here initialy with intentions to cuss anybody out. I tried to direct the originator of the thread to the right place WHILE answering his very question. I though that he would be spared the tongue lashing if I got to him first. Evidently this was not enough for the peanut gallery. The fact is that, just like the AC Ace, the RX7 is a wonderful overachiever. This need to overachieve with a less than stellar powerplant is it's only weakness. Like the Shelby Cobra that evolved from the Ace, the V8 RX7 becomes a sureal nonconformist expression of one's need for power and subtlety all rolled into one. I feel sorry for those that have never experienced the feeling of lighting up the tires in first, second and third gears without so much as blinking twice. As the saying goes, power corrupts, and absolute power corrupts absolutely. Tomorow on my way to work, I just might even chirp the tires in fourth.............at 100 mph! Oh yeah baby, I'm going to hell!

Toughguy

CozmoRX7

I think the whole problem was the original post. "unless you guys convince me otherwise" I think it was? That started all the stupid arguing right there. How these threads SHOULD go.. "yeah you can swap a V8 into your 1st gen, rotarys a good engine though, blah blah blah, being nice, if you're still interested in a V8 swap and ungodly torque and fun check out www.V8RX7.com"
done!
~matt

edscholl

what are ya, kidding me? you need to do some reading up! as far as suvs, there are ulev suvs if you want them, and one of the BIGGEST knocks against the rotary is emissions! that's one of the main reasons for the peripheral ports going bye-bye.

edscholl

same as the rotary.

NanaimoRx-7

Ha ha ha I get the biggest kick about the comments for us rotary guys to start thinking outside the box...

"Hey, here's an idea, let's stuff the biggest engine we can shoehorn in that little sucker, and see how much tire smoke we can make in a straight line huh huuh huh"


I think there's enough people living outside that box that we don't need to populate it anymore. And yes there is a guy in my area putting a 460 ci motor in a first gen...


One last thing,

Troll Alert

SoRRoW

V8s in a RX7.................

TheWrongMotor

It's the people that think outside of the box that sign your paychecks!

Maybe the Ferrari was "passing through"? Nah. Lives up the road.

12abridgeport

I do respect v8's, they are powerful but still would choose a rota on an any given day, that fire shooting beast the way it screams like a jet taking off the ground. Really can't stand seeing v8's in the rx7's though.

TOUGHGUY

More ignorance ad nauseam.

Toughguy

jayroc

I've heard both extremes that they're 100% reliable and go 200k miles and others say they don't last past 50k miles. But never an average number. I guess it depends on how they're built, or broken in, I don't know.
I've owned 3 rx7s now, the last 2nd gen I had made it past 205k and it was far from babied. My 84 has 150k miles and it has no problems. I drive it regularly back and forth from school when I go home on weekends. About a 420mile trip. The other is a SA I use to race sometimes. It's heavily abused.

jayroc

On a side note, so far as cost for HP goes, how much was it to convert a 2nd gen TII into a v8 powerplant?
Using an LS1, I mean.

jeremy

iTrader: (1)

twin turbo flat six.

jayroc

Wow, that's a lot. Out of curiousity, what kind of HP numbers do you expect with that kind of money? Seems like it'd be substantial.

DriveFast7

iTrader: (1)

When the smog equipment is on the car I pass no problems. I can tune a rotary quite well, even outdoing some rotary mechanics. Swing and a miss! And when I don't feel like putting smog equpment on the car I can still pass thanks to good old greenbacks.

I still gotta ask, how come you didn't buy a camaro or mustang? Since you love the V8, why not just go muscle car straight line MORE POWER vrooom vrooom.