Ongoing no fire to leading side on Sa model
01-02-08, 03:15 PM
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Replaced distributor and...
I got a dizzy in the mail today, installed it, and the car is still only fires trailing. What's my problem...? Arggg!
01-02-08, 03:34 PM
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Must be the leading ignitor, wiring or leading coil, then. Although, didn't you try switching the connectors to the ignitor around? It would have been better to add this to your old thread as most people won't have an idea as to the problem, what you have tried, etc. Perhaps if you dig up the old threads, you can send the links to rx7doctor and he can merge them together?
I have some spare coils if that is the problem. I don't have any '80 ignitors, though.
Edit: He has an '80 SA BTW.
I have some spare coils if that is the problem. I don't have any '80 ignitors, though.
Edit: He has an '80 SA BTW.
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01-06-08, 10:58 PM
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I have not reread everything here but merged all threads into one.
Would recommend first to swap out ignitors from trailing to leading side and coils also if this has not been done.
If after doing the problem is still there then you will have to verify that the wiring is correct to the leading side and that there are no breaks in the wiring. That power is getting to the prospective parts when the key is switched to the on position.
Would recommend first to swap out ignitors from trailing to leading side and coils also if this has not been done.
If after doing the problem is still there then you will have to verify that the wiring is correct to the leading side and that there are no breaks in the wiring. That power is getting to the prospective parts when the key is switched to the on position.
01-07-08, 03:33 AM
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unless you have a bum wire or connection to your coils there should be power to both as they're wired in parallel as wacky hinted towards. It could be a coil, ignitor, high tension wire, plug wires, plugs who knows. You've got everything there on a working side that you can swap to, so just calm down and do things one by one. Don't worry you'll figure this out.
01-13-08, 05:06 PM
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yeah i have swapped ignitors, and coils, and ignitor wiring, changed coils and dizzy the last thing i can think is the ignitor box, i followed the wires around and still didnt see a break or anything i go out just about everyday and piddle around and look at the wires but cant seem to find anything wrong...
01-20-08, 05:12 PM
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I might have found the problem
It looks like something is broken in the igniter box... not exactly sure what it is... I think it might be a capacitor. Either way I'll take a picture and post it tomorrow so you guys can know what I'm talking about.
01-26-08, 05:27 PM
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Didn't get any new answers. Car has gone up for sale.
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01-26-08, 07:44 PM
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Bummer, dude. Really, if you can hold of for a week or 2, I'll personally come down there it get it going. I don't have extra ignitors, but we could do the GM HEI ones if it comes to that. What city are you in again? I think that I checked before and it was like a 3 or 4hr drive? Anyway, I could maybe swing it next weekend, but the following weekend would probably be better. Another option would be to toss in an 81-85 dizzy. I don't have an extra, though.
Anyway, this shouldn't be too bad to fix. I would hate to see you sell it just because of this problem.
Let me know.
Kent
Anyway, this shouldn't be too bad to fix. I would hate to see you sell it just because of this problem.
Let me know.
Kent
01-26-08, 07:47 PM
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Whoa, hang on. I know troubleshooting can get extremely frustrating but don't give up yet. I was reading through the 80 FSM and the ignition system and some of the tests are quite a bit different than the later years. I've done a little bit of work on kgray's 79, but the 80 is different from that year too so bear with me. I'm not as familiar with this one as I'd like to be.
You really do need need to dl the FSM. If you do then you can follow my post much easier. First off, I'm going to guess that this ignitor box that has something broken is it is a wire coil that's broken. If so, it's a resistor coil and if it's broken, it will disable that side of the ignition. The best solution for this would be to upgrade the to the 81+ coil, ignitors and dizzy. If you wish to go that route, I can put a package of parts together for you and there's a writeup somewhere on the upgrade. It's not difficult.
Things to check:
Sec 1, p. 8-11. It shows an ignition test with jumper wires, check and see if those connections are plugged in and there are no jumpers. This test tests the leading and trailing side.
Sec. 5 pp.11-16 shows how to check the dizzy, time the engine, check the igniters , coils and plug wires. making the igniter tester is a bit of work. I just swap them in and out on the dizzy/resistor box to see if they work.
I would also pull the igniters and check the connection points for any bent/broken pins and corrosion. It wouldn't hurt to do this for all of the ignition related components and also do continuity tests on all of the related wires.
If you can, post a pic of the box and what you think is broken.
You really do need need to dl the FSM. If you do then you can follow my post much easier. First off, I'm going to guess that this ignitor box that has something broken is it is a wire coil that's broken. If so, it's a resistor coil and if it's broken, it will disable that side of the ignition. The best solution for this would be to upgrade the to the 81+ coil, ignitors and dizzy. If you wish to go that route, I can put a package of parts together for you and there's a writeup somewhere on the upgrade. It's not difficult.
Things to check:
Sec 1, p. 8-11. It shows an ignition test with jumper wires, check and see if those connections are plugged in and there are no jumpers. This test tests the leading and trailing side.
Sec. 5 pp.11-16 shows how to check the dizzy, time the engine, check the igniters , coils and plug wires. making the igniter tester is a bit of work. I just swap them in and out on the dizzy/resistor box to see if they work.
I would also pull the igniters and check the connection points for any bent/broken pins and corrosion. It wouldn't hurt to do this for all of the ignition related components and also do continuity tests on all of the related wires.
If you can, post a pic of the box and what you think is broken.
01-27-08, 12:22 AM
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I have a solution that might work for you. Delete the funny ignitor box and just wire the ignitors to the distributor directly.
The function of the ignitor box thing is to disable trailing under certain conditions in order to send an ultra-mega-rich mixture of unburnt fuel into the thermal reactor to allow it to burn off the hydrocarbons and keep emissions low...ish. Basically the carb was jetted rich; the air/fuel mixture curve was set at the factory on the rich side, and at those times when trailing is switched off by the funky box thing, lots of raw fuel goes into the thermal reactor and 'keeps the fire lit' inside. It worked before cats became standard equipment.
If you're not affraid to do a little simple wiring, you can have full-time trailing and a far more reliable setup. Really the only thing you need to do is connect the S and G terminals on the backs of the ignitors to the wires coming out of the dizzy. Get the polarity right and you're in like Flynn. Get it wrong, and you'll see with a timing light that the marks are a little off. Just flip 'em around and you're good.
I've never really messed with '80 stuff before but I do have two good J-105s that I tested. One quirk I seem to recall about them was that the S and G terminals appeared to be reversed from the more familar J-109. Like I said, try it one way, test with a timing light and so on.
As for leading and trailing, it's pretty easy to follow the wires from the individual pickups to the plug. If you need help, Kent should be pretty familiar with rotary ignition that I don't forsee any problems. Heck, give it a go yourself. We all gotta learn some time. Just don't cut any wires.
The function of the ignitor box thing is to disable trailing under certain conditions in order to send an ultra-mega-rich mixture of unburnt fuel into the thermal reactor to allow it to burn off the hydrocarbons and keep emissions low...ish. Basically the carb was jetted rich; the air/fuel mixture curve was set at the factory on the rich side, and at those times when trailing is switched off by the funky box thing, lots of raw fuel goes into the thermal reactor and 'keeps the fire lit' inside. It worked before cats became standard equipment.
If you're not affraid to do a little simple wiring, you can have full-time trailing and a far more reliable setup. Really the only thing you need to do is connect the S and G terminals on the backs of the ignitors to the wires coming out of the dizzy. Get the polarity right and you're in like Flynn. Get it wrong, and you'll see with a timing light that the marks are a little off. Just flip 'em around and you're good.
I've never really messed with '80 stuff before but I do have two good J-105s that I tested. One quirk I seem to recall about them was that the S and G terminals appeared to be reversed from the more familar J-109. Like I said, try it one way, test with a timing light and so on.
As for leading and trailing, it's pretty easy to follow the wires from the individual pickups to the plug. If you need help, Kent should be pretty familiar with rotary ignition that I don't forsee any problems. Heck, give it a go yourself. We all gotta learn some time. Just don't cut any wires.
01-27-08, 12:46 AM
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I was going to argue semantics, (MOP/OMP), that the phrase is "in like Flint", (from the movie In Like Flint James Coburn 1967), but I Googled it to make sure, and Flynn is correct. That leads me to wonder if you aren't older than I am Jeff. 
666, I hope your 7 is receptive to your sexual advances.
In like Flynn
Meaning
To be quickly and/or emphatically successful, usually in a sexual or romantic context.
Origin
This phrase is commonly said to be a reference to Errol Flynn, the Australian film actor. Flynn was famous for his romantic swashbuckler roles in Hollywood films and for his flamboyant private life. His reputation as a hard-drinking, hell-raising ladies' man was apparently well justified, although it has doubtless been enhanced by his delight in playing up to his image. For instance, he entitled his autobiography - My Wicked, Wicked Ways and also did nothing to dispel the incredible but nonetheless widespread rumours as to the the size of his ***** and the number of women who had shared his bed. Flynn was acquitted in February 1943 for the statutory rape of a teenage girl.
The word in had been used with regard to success, good fortune or sexual conquest for some years prior to the 1940s. For example:
John Mills' Life Race-Horse, 1854: "The handicapper ... considerately classed me among the middle ones, and awarded 6 st. 12 lb. as my burthen. 'He's vell in,' said my owner, 'very vell in.'"
Alfred Mason's Clementina, 1901: "His luck for the moment was altogether in."
E. Wilson's Twenties, 1923: "Well, did Mr. Wilson get it in tonight?"
All of the above might lead us to believe that origin of the phrase 'in like Flynn' is clear. As so often though, things aren't quite as tidy as they might first seem. The earliest recorded use of the phrase is in a December 1946 edition of American Speech:
"In like Flynn, everything is O.K. In other words, the pilot is having no more trouble than Errol Flynn has in his cinematic feats."
That doesn't have the sexual connotations that the phrase acquired later. There's also an earlier, albeit oblique, reference from 1942 - in The San Francisco Examiner (Sports section):
"Answer these questions correctly and your name is Flynn, meaning you're in, provided you have two left feet and the written consent of your parents."
Errol Flynn's particular notoriety as someone especially likely to be 'in' in a sexual sense came about after his trial in 1943, although he was already known as a screen romantic lead. If the phrase does derive from his name then it appears to have been coined in regard to his all-round flamboyance and fame - which were both considerable by 1942 - rather than specifically his sexual success.
Another possible figure who could plausibly have been the source of the phrase is the political organizer Edward J. Flynn. He was a campaign manager for the Democratic party during the 1930s and 40s and was well-known to be highly effective at arranging political successes. Such machiavellian organizers were known as bosses. Flynn, with some irony, called his autobiography 'You're the Boss', in a reference to the American voting public.
Edward J. Flynn had not been associated with the phrase 'in like Flynn' prior to the efforts by etymologists to explain it though and no records from the 1940s make any such link. It seems very much more likely that Errol Flynn is the Flynn in question and, although the phrase may have been used before he was at the peak of his celebrity, it became well-known by association with him.
The 1967 James Coburn starred in the film, In Like Flint. This was a sequel to the 1966 Our Man Flint and presumably the screenwriters, on the lookout for another 'Flint' phrase, opted for a play on 'In like Flynn'. There's now some confusion between the two phrases and some use 'In like Flint' as if it were synonymous with 'In like Flynn'.
666, I hope your 7 is receptive to your sexual advances.
In like Flynn
Meaning
To be quickly and/or emphatically successful, usually in a sexual or romantic context.
Origin
This phrase is commonly said to be a reference to Errol Flynn, the Australian film actor. Flynn was famous for his romantic swashbuckler roles in Hollywood films and for his flamboyant private life. His reputation as a hard-drinking, hell-raising ladies' man was apparently well justified, although it has doubtless been enhanced by his delight in playing up to his image. For instance, he entitled his autobiography - My Wicked, Wicked Ways and also did nothing to dispel the incredible but nonetheless widespread rumours as to the the size of his ***** and the number of women who had shared his bed. Flynn was acquitted in February 1943 for the statutory rape of a teenage girl.
The word in had been used with regard to success, good fortune or sexual conquest for some years prior to the 1940s. For example:
John Mills' Life Race-Horse, 1854: "The handicapper ... considerately classed me among the middle ones, and awarded 6 st. 12 lb. as my burthen. 'He's vell in,' said my owner, 'very vell in.'"
Alfred Mason's Clementina, 1901: "His luck for the moment was altogether in."
E. Wilson's Twenties, 1923: "Well, did Mr. Wilson get it in tonight?"
All of the above might lead us to believe that origin of the phrase 'in like Flynn' is clear. As so often though, things aren't quite as tidy as they might first seem. The earliest recorded use of the phrase is in a December 1946 edition of American Speech:
"In like Flynn, everything is O.K. In other words, the pilot is having no more trouble than Errol Flynn has in his cinematic feats."
That doesn't have the sexual connotations that the phrase acquired later. There's also an earlier, albeit oblique, reference from 1942 - in The San Francisco Examiner (Sports section):
"Answer these questions correctly and your name is Flynn, meaning you're in, provided you have two left feet and the written consent of your parents."
Errol Flynn's particular notoriety as someone especially likely to be 'in' in a sexual sense came about after his trial in 1943, although he was already known as a screen romantic lead. If the phrase does derive from his name then it appears to have been coined in regard to his all-round flamboyance and fame - which were both considerable by 1942 - rather than specifically his sexual success.
Another possible figure who could plausibly have been the source of the phrase is the political organizer Edward J. Flynn. He was a campaign manager for the Democratic party during the 1930s and 40s and was well-known to be highly effective at arranging political successes. Such machiavellian organizers were known as bosses. Flynn, with some irony, called his autobiography 'You're the Boss', in a reference to the American voting public.
Edward J. Flynn had not been associated with the phrase 'in like Flynn' prior to the efforts by etymologists to explain it though and no records from the 1940s make any such link. It seems very much more likely that Errol Flynn is the Flynn in question and, although the phrase may have been used before he was at the peak of his celebrity, it became well-known by association with him.
The 1967 James Coburn starred in the film, In Like Flint. This was a sequel to the 1966 Our Man Flint and presumably the screenwriters, on the lookout for another 'Flint' phrase, opted for a play on 'In like Flynn'. There's now some confusion between the two phrases and some use 'In like Flint' as if it were synonymous with 'In like Flynn'.
02-07-08, 03:14 PM
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I am going to roll down there on Saturday to give him a hand. Shouldn't be too bad to fix as he has already replaced most of the ignition system. If the ignitor is shot, we'll just give the GM HEI setup a shot. We'll also post up what the problem was in case any of you were wondering. 
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