clean85owner

If you made those boxes to fit 6.5s, would I still need to cut the supports?

Each box only needs to be, like, .25-.3 cubic feet; so, I'm hoping not.

I plan on, eventually, getting a pair of these, and I would like to actually recess them into the brake light wells. http://www.edesignaudio.com/product....atures&cur=USD

Anyways, this is just a hypothetical question, seeing as this probably won't happen for at least a few more months.

$100T2

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Nope, I am only making them one way, since I am fiberglassing off one plug. I can make you custom boxes in that size based on other designs, no sweat, super simple.

$100T2

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I will be starting those soon later this week, while these things are drying. Once I get the plug made for the sub enclosures, I can get to wrok on the front speaker enclosures. Those will be far less difficult.

$100T2

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1 spot. Vipernicus is in at #9, money talks, bullshit walks for spot #10.

jonjonwells

I got cash in hand for the front ones when you get around to them. Love your work.

MIKE-P-28

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Well with his insult I was quite tempted. But I dont have the time to mess with arguring and talking crap via internet. I dont come around often but I do drop in from time to time. And posts that interest me I post/comment on. Your right I really wasnt trying to be negative. But I can see that he likes to. So I knew it to be a never ending battle.

However, I am curious about one other thing. What is the woofer gonna sound like in like .2 cu ft? I mean especially a 10? I bet the 3db down point is like 50+ hz? Not a slam Im curious? I have some fiberglassed boxes I did a while back for this. I did a project with bolt on door mods, and sub box in the same place. I beleive I ended up with like .6 cu ft (curving inward to the 1/4 area). I tuned it, I forget what it was, but with a 8 in JL W6 it was quite impressive and hidden. I was gonna follow through with it, but seemed no one liked the $350 with speaker pricepoint.

$100T2

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You know, I dropped it Mike, and then you come back in talking more ****? What's your problem?

It's more than .2 cu ft.

saltyslug

how many cubic feet are there then? how long have you been working on this? I can usually get this big of a project done in a day or two at most. It looks like it will fill the hole nicely.

if your selling these for $200 then these guys are getting them cheap. I just did a BMW the other day and charged him $500 just for the box, trunk carpet and Alpine sub.

I will be doing my own 626 later this summer and send you some pics. keep up the good work. You have some pics of the door panels???

saltyslug

hey mike if you have been doing installs for so long and "know more than we ever will" why did you have to ask what he was doing then??? you never seen a custom box in a car before? wow I guess you DON"T really know as much as you wish you did.

now GOOD DAY SIR

dantheman

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Let me know how much they will run so I can set aside cash for them.

Thanks!

$100T2

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Best guess, around .8 a side, based on extremely rough calculations. Once I get them finished, I'll try to give more precise numbers. The problems I'm encountering are that the area I'm fitting this into curves to the back and the side, so I can't just put a flat piece of MDF in there. If I could, I'd just mold it out of foam and vacuum form some plastic to the shape, fiberglass reinforce it, and be done with it, but since I don't have the means to do that, I'm kinda boned, ya know? Plus, I have to allow for the locking mechanism for the hatch, the wiring for the lights and hatch release, the drains for the hatch glass, the shape of the taillights and their intrusion into the space, the nuts and bolts that hold the lights in place, etc, so on and so forth. It's been rough going. I've built my share of enclosures for all my cars... A bandpass enclosure for my old Talon back in '94 was my first, I did a form fitted bandpass enclosure for a single 12" sub in my old T2, stuff for my Audi, but in all those cases, it's been basically a big box, or something that I didn't really care how it looked, as long as it mostly blended in. In this case, I had a 10" sub lying around, and started messing around with how to put it in the back... The FB is going to be our "weekend car", and we wanted to make sure it could hold a couple overnight bags as well as the glass sunroof, so the hatch space needed to be kept as it is. The storage bins are out, because I want to relocate my battery to one side, and put my nitrous bottle on the other side. I built a shitty enclosure one day, just to see if I could fit it, knowing it was a rough mock up and I could redo it right if it worked. Then, I decided that if I could fit one, I could fit two... So, I started figuring out how to do it. A couple people liked the idea, asked if I could duplicate it, so I said sure.... Bringing us to where we are now.

Yeah, I was hoping it would be much easier and come along much more quickly, but due to the number of redesigns, it's taken next to forever. I've been having a problem with the upper inside of the hatch area, but I think I figured that one out, finally.

Yeah... In hindsight, I should have charged much, much more, but I said $200 + shipping originally, and I keep my word. Plus the fact that most FB owners are tight on cash, so I'm trying to keep the cost down to them. I'm definitely not making money on these, just trying to break even.

Cool deal, I look forward to seeing it.

I'm not doing door panels, I'm doing kick panels and possible tweeter mounts for the area between the window frame and door panel, if I can pull them off without looking tacked on or like ****. The kick panels are pretty simple, I'm looking at being able to fit 6.5" speakers without intruding on space, and with only turning the hood release 90 degrees... I'm trying to avoid relocating the hood release. The speaker will be in basically the stock location, angled up a bit to improve sound imaging, but bottom line, it's a shitty location... I'm just trying to get better sound without having to totally redo the door panels. Eventually, I might eliminate half of the door pocket to put the speakers in the doors... Somebody here, I want to say it's John64, has done that already, but we just recovered the door panels, and my fiancee would ******' kill me if I had her redo all that sewing.

$100T2

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I learned my lesson from the subs... I'm not quoting prices until the design is done, finalized, built, etc.

dantheman

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LOL

Definatly understand.

John64

Yes, I did the door pods. Very simple to do and took around 3 total hours with drying time, etc..

Did not mean to hijack the post.

I hope yours get done soon, I could have built 8 different types of fiberglass enclosures by now. I think yours are going to turn out real nice. I hope you make time to get to Rotofest on the 23rd. I would love to meet you!

1revnrex

Good job on it man, looks like it will come out nice!

For those of you concerned about weight try these... Aura Bass Shakers




I did 4 in a MX-6, sounded pretty tight.

Pele

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I can easily see this hitting $350 after adding the sub. I'm going to be using Elemental Design brand subs at the recommendation of another audiophile:

http://www.edesignaudio.com/us.php

Unfortunately I don't understand what the sealed box will do with the audio.

I assume certain frequencies will be louder than others. Can it be corrected with the use of an EQ? Maybe pack the enclosure with fiberglass wool? How about a port? Of course then a length and diameter need to be designed. Do you calculate enclosure size with or without the sub installed?

You and $100T2 are both well respected members of this community. I appreciate the knowledge that both of you have shared and more that you have to offer. Why must there be such hostility? Please work stuff out; Perhaps even provide some form of informative and constructive criticism.

With all the design aspects of an audio system: fabrication and design, electronic engineering, and physical aspects of the speakers and acoustics, I can pretty much guarantee that neither of you knows EVERYTHING about EVERYTHING... We're all here in the community to help one another.

Latin270

Well said brother! It seems like some guys cant take a hint of criticism without lashing out. I said it once and I'll say it again this rotary thing is like a brotherhood! The few the proud.

clean85owner

With a sealed box, the loudness changes of each frequency will most likely not be as noticable as a ported box. With ported boxes, they are often times tuned to a certain frequency; a "sweet spot", if you will. This "sweet spot" on a ported box will stand out noticably as compared to other frequencies.

Personally, I prefer sealed boxes because the sealed air acts as a spring; which allows for more response and cut down time "between notes." I like a tighter bass style, and the sound of a double kick pedal on a good, sealed 10" sounds incredible. When you have a port, the speaker will seem to sound "muddier" or "mushy" and definately more "boomy."

Directfreak

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I don't think $100T2 was around the 1st gen forum when Mike P-28 used to hang out here,
so he doesn't know Mike P-28's reputation or experience here amongst us.

Likewise...

I don't think Mike P-28 has been around the 1st gen forum lately as $100TII is now hanging out here, so he doesn't know $100TII's reputation or experience here amongst us either.

What we have here is a failure to communicate - and two experienced forum members who both have a wealth of knowledge to bring to the table.

Unfortunately - the excess testosterone in their systems make them seem like two mean Junk-Yard dogs on opposite sides of a chain link fence, LOL!

$100T2

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Please, by all means, drive over and help! I could use it!

MIKE-P-28

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Im around a lot. I still pop in quite a bit. I just dont comment a lot. A lot of times my posts getting taking as me trying to shoot someone down. That was not my intention at all. At first I didnt know what the item was. Now I fully understand what he is doing. I could offer some advice about fiberglassing, but Im not. Good to see again. Hows the weather down there?

Pele

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Why not?

I've gotta figure out how to duplicate IMSA front bumpers somehow. I've got a clean ployurethane recreation that I want to use to make a mold somehow and recreate them. Any relative info would help.

Directfreak

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The weather is pretty good lately. Hopefully less Hurricanes this year.

I guess after working so many hours of at the toyota plant, you're
ready to see the opposite of a Toyo truck. Does this mean
you're thinking of coming back to us? The dark side? FB Love?

I still can't believe you let go of your Turbo FB. You never even got to
really enjoy it. Oh well, at least it's in very good hands. I'am shooting for 600+ RWHP in the not-to-distant future.

John64

Any progress? I want to see what 2 1/2 months of work looks like.

$100T2

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I would have to go to the town dump and bring back about 30 enclosures that I deemed unworthy for you to see all the 4 months of work.