mooseknuckle

whats the differnce between the two brands they are similar in price who has installed which.

mooseknuckle

i can get the kyb for 130 for front/rear and the tokico hp for about 185

Sammymatik

I put kyb agx shocks on my FC. They were nice. handled the bumps well. But my springs were very stiff as well.


Which type of KYB or tockiko?

Adjustability was nikce with the AGX shocks however, i had a GC coilover setup and kept them on the the lowest setting cause any more stiff would shake my teeth too much. Maybe with lighter springs I could have turned them up on the street.

So on my FB I just went with the KYB gas shocks, no adjustibility. they work good. i have RB springs and the car is'nt too rough, keeps the wheels on the ground, and handles bumps potholes and such as you find on a mountain road.

So go with whatever fits your budget!

does this help at all?

-=Sam=-

EonBlue

I think the general consensus was that the non-adjustable KYB's are pretty much oem-equivalent and so they're softer than the tokico blues. I wonder if they make the AGX ones for our cars?

90WhiteVrt

i have tokico blues and absolutely love them

mooseknuckle

i was considering getting the non ajustable kyb gas shocks but if the tokico blues are stiffer then i would probably spend a little more and get them. i am going to put the rb springs on at the same time also

smnc

Go get some Koni's!
They still make Koni Red fronts for our cars. They are adjustable and imo, supperior to Tokico or KYB...

Not cheap... actually rather expensive, but with a lifetime warantee and beter design it's worth it...

Oh yeah, they're also re-buildable, so if they ever wear out, you can get them fixed instead of having to replace them...

As for the rears, they've been discontinued, but if you can find a used set, they can be re-built

edit:
TireRack still lists the rears...

http://www.tirerack.com/suspension/S...lar=&brand=all


edit again:

Classic Garage lists the rears too... but they have fronts CHEAP!!!
http://www.classicgarage.com/classicgarage/86-2345.html
http://www.classicgarage.com/classicgarage/26-1152.html

smnc

KYB makes 2 lines of non-adjustable shocks:
GR-2 and Gas-A-Just
GR-2s are basically OEM replacements
Gas-A-Justs are roughly equal to Tokico Blues...

The only catch is that they only make the Gas-A-Justs for the rear of 1st gens...

TopGunM2k

Get the Tokiko's, the quality and reputation is better than that of KYB. Actually Tokiko's are more comparable to Koni's than they are to KYB's which in my opinion aren't up there with those two...instead down there with the Monroe's sears sells.

smnc

Get the Koni's for $50 a peice! c'mon!
That's UBER cheap...
Tokico's are nowhere near as good...

thedonn007

I have the tokico blues and i have no complaints

aussiesmg

iTrader: (1)

Tokicos can't handle the serious performance like Konis, but they are better than KYBs. Konis are race bred shocks and have been doing this for a very long time.

RustyRotary

iTrader: (2)

What model shocks are those Koni's? I don't see anywhere that it specifies, and I don't know why they would sell Reds for $50 a piece...

smnc

Koni only makes Reds (Special) and Yellows (Sport)... or custom race of course...
Look at the list price, they're Reds alright...

It says somthing about no factory warranty, so maybe they're rebuilt...?

smnc

Racing Beat still lists the Rears too, but according to Koni, they don't make the rears anymore... must just be excess stock...

nick1

wow. that's a great price for the koni reds!!!

now it says they ARE adjustable...how do they adjust? do they have a turn dial somewhere? or are like the illuminas???

are the koni reds softer, equal to or harder than the tokiko blues???

aussiesmg

iTrader: (1)

Koni reds are closer to Tokico Illuminas but even better, they are internally adjustable. These are single adjustable Koni red shocks, not two way adjustables like the yellow. Which also have a larger body allowing for more actual flow of the fluid inside and can sustain higher use for longer periods.

smnc

ALL Koni's are adjustable That way they work for ANY setup!

Reds on their softest setting are about equal to Tokico blues, but are internally adjustable.

It involves removing the strut from the car, so it's not somthing you want to do often. But you can match it to the rest of your components!

Also, if/when you get them re-built, they can modify them for you:
http://www.tripointengineering.com/Koni/koniCenter.htm

perfect_circle

then the illuminas are better for the street since you can adjuct them without removing them

smnc

Why? Dial them in once... why keep messing with them?
Besides which the Koni is a better quality strut...


BTW, as a side note: the adjustment procedure varies fom car to car with Koni, as they design build each strut specificaly for each car.
It just happens that the 1st gen RX-7 is hard to adjust...

dbragg

iTrader: (7)

alright, ive been wondering so im going to just throw this in there, what about bilstein? they are more expensive than tokico illuminas but are they worth it?

smnc

Also a race-quality shock, from what I've heard, but hard to find...
But not that expensive.
I don't know anyone using them...
http://www.iscracing.net/suspension_2.htm

RustyRotary

iTrader: (2)

I read through all of the TireRack reviews and almost everything was praise for the Reds. The general consensus is that either the softest (0) or the 1 setting is where you want to be for a street ride.

smnc

That would be my reccomendation, unless you're running stiffer springs... then I'd maybe go a notch or two higher...

mooseknuckle

my dad is putting the koni reds in but he only has the fronts ill wait and see how they are on his maybe ill get them for mine