pratch

vipernicus, just like there are piston folks who adore the rotary, there are PC folks who think Macs are great. We're dealing with the equivalent of a PC guy who only knows everything he's heard others say about the Mac.

So this piston guy heard someone bash rotaries once and took him at face value - without having ANY experience of his own. Such is life. There are people who are so devoid of intelligence, they'll believe anything someone else tells them :P

Mr BiG G

"always question wat one says....never take anything at face value"

BillGo

I have, as of 8/14/2003 A.M., 256547 miles on the original engine of 1985. Carb overhauled three times, gets 24.5 mpg and runs like a top. Ofcourse I change the oil between 2500/3000 miles.

CheddaKing

Mine had 130,000 miles on it when it was orignally parked...then it sat for 7 years...i got it, sprayed starter fluid in it, hooked up some jumper cables, and it started right up...then i ripped the motor out for a TII :-P

faye x7

And it STILL runs. I've got a vid of me revving my engine up if ya want that too. heh

rac

116,000 miles on my 85 SE and it runs great and hauls A$$

Josepi

Mine ran until I parked it.

185,000ish miles.

Oil started getting into the combustion chamber around 182K.

excitingleopard

The funniest thing about Macs is that they don't even bother to avoid PC features, they just adopt them and slightly change them. For instance: The Exit button, is an X. Minimize is an _, and resize window is a picture of two windows. How very clever that they moved these buttons to the other side of their [window], so as not to confuse the user and send them into a frenzied panic, which is exactly what any Mac user would do if they found out that Mac is nothing more than a glorified PC.




But then again, tell me seriously that you don't move up to the right of your screen and then laugh at how the exit button isn't there, it's on the left.

faye x7

That's sad that you actually believe that, when in fact Apple had their GUI out well before MSFT tried to do anything. So everything you see in Windows is a **** version of some Mac OS basically.

Please do your homework before speaking.

85gsl2ndtimearound

Are you saying i should by a mac or a pc?

faye x7

That all depends on entirely what you use a computer for. PCs have their ups and downs as well as MACs.

In a dream world, I would want a top of the line PC and a MAC, but I'm not a rich bastard. haha

Richard Miller

www.xvsxp.com

read that to start to make a decision. After you read that read this.

I own a wonderful 8 year old powermac 7500. I had ugraded the RAM to 310 Megs and switched the CPU from a 100mhz RISC powerPC processor to one of 200mhz. I don't use it for games but for internet and WP and stuff like that. Even though Apple does not support OS X on my computer, I have ran it and I could not get OS X to crash. It ran slow but damn it was steady. I am running OS 9.1 With that I have Microsoft office 2001, Photoshop 6, and other "professional" programs. I am using IE 5.x and listing to iTunes. Entourage is open and My 8 year old computer runs them all. Not saying it is the fastest but like a good 12a it wont let you down.

So far I have proven that Macs ar upgradeable, Are compatible with MS office, are as reliable as the sun. ( The computer is all original, minus the CPU upgrade. and I can put it back in to show you that still works.) Also, when the big scary viruses come around I really just don't worry. since most viruses are aimed at PC's . Not to say that Apple does not have Virus problems. just that in my two years as a Mac user I have not heard of any. (yes, I am a "switcher")

Keep in mind That i can read any PC file but a PC can't read Mac files. So who is the incompatable platform. The truth thoug is that there are some programs that don't run on a mac. I miss the cartest program. My dream setup is a G4 powerbook with OSX, OS 9.1, and Virtual PC so I can run XP. Virtual PC is a emu that MS had bought and is now selling. See www.microsoft.com/mactopia

I have heard that XP runs better on a mac than on a pc. I can not say I believe it but it would be cool if it were true.

last bit...

Remeber that "PC "is also a description of the muscle mass around the crotch of a female. which would make your Intel box a *****.

Richard Miller

incase that wasn't winded enough, I had only spent

$75 on the 7500 powermac
$60 on a set of 20" trinitron monitors.
$150 for a refurbished Laserwriter printer.
$75 for the ram( bought it new)
$40 for the 604e PPC

which is about $400 total

Not to shabby considering I am running Modern software Have a 20 inch monitor and a laserpriner to boot.

pratch

LOL

Well, there are only about 30 viruses for Mac vs the 50,000+ (and growing almost daily) for PC. As for the Mac files on PC, that's not entirely true with Mac Opener - a nice little PC utility to access Mac disks from a PC. Plus with Mac OS X not having resource forks, data is quite capable of going to either platform without issue. PCs definitely have their place, but I choose to pay more for my Mac. You get what you pay for, right?

As for that earlier comment about Mac copying Windows, seeing how Mac OS was released in 84 as a GUI and Windows first showed up in Feb of 85... and was a stinking piece of ****. To be fair, it wasn't until Windows 95, that MS Windows even came close to the early Mac GUI.

Presently, Mac OS X and MS Windows are growing closer in features and feel. This is a good thing (especially for PC users). Every once in a while, MS will actually have an innovation that the Mac will have to catch. Most recently it was simultaneous logins, but with 10.3 due in Sept, the wait for that is about over. However, the one thing that will always make having a Mac infinitely more stable is that Apple makes both the hardware and the software. Unlike MS, Apple isn't shooting at a broad target - they make it to run on one hardware with quality control second-to-none. Remember how MS talked about having a hardware accelerated GUI? Apple talked about it too - then released it in less than six months! MS is still another year or TWO away from it and they talked about it about a year ago. Every year to 18 months, Mac users are treated to a substantial system upgrade. Every 3 to 5 for the PC.

Just remember, that unless you've used a Mac, you're probably listening to someone else's reason for not using one. In all likelihood, that reason is probably completely based in error too.

*shrug* I'll own both - PC's a great for cutting edge gaming (although simultaneous releases are becoming more common) and they're great at running 3dMax. Until those change, I'll likely be forced to run Windows occasionally. However, when I want to get my work done as a professional designer, I hop straight on my Mac.

maxcooper

I think the latest paid version of CarTest is pure Java, and should run anywhere Java is supported (including the Mac).

-Max

Richard Miller

looking for the java cartest. and tring to get my count to 400

13B4port

here is my experience with comptuers. i was part of a class that specilized in video production. we are nationaly reconied as one of the leading schools in video production. and this is a ******* high school course. now relieze that there are 8 high schools in the lincoln that are public. the class is held in it's own floor of the federal trust building. so you have to drive rom you school to this class everyday. i was accepted as one of 12 out of 500+ people that applied. i was program such as final cut pro, cinema 4d xl, flash and mx, director, dreamweaver(i hate it), **** ton of adobe programs(photoshop and ect), live stage pro, bryce 3d, maya, smart sound, digital juice, and the list goes on. you can 5read about the class here http://itfp.lps.org/im2.html we made and prodiced several videos, animations, interactive CDs and DVDs. you can see those here http://itfp.lps.org/examples.html#two i personally made the first comercal and produced the animation in it one that page, i made the first and second 3d images and at the bottem the first animation. we are associated with apple, time warner, and many other orginiations. apple has even posted several articles about us on ther page. http://www.apple.com/education/k12/i...oln/index.html on top of that we also produced SHN for time warner http://itfp.lps.org/shn.html recently i enterd into Apples digital media competition. i walk way with a few medals and one trophy. i'l post links at the bottem for the winning entries. i won best 3D animatio, best 3D pic. and a judges choice. anyways. i found that my pc at home would always render faster than the mac g4s with dual 800s backed by 1.5 gig ddr and a apple cinema display with a Geforce TI4600(or 4400 i can't remember which) running OSX. my pc at home is a pentium 3 1 gig with 1.5 gig of pc 133(sad i know) with a trinitron 17in. i also have a complete sound balster audigy2 with creative lab studio 5.1 surround sound, Geforce 4 mx 440 with a 31 inch tv hooked up to it. i used it for vidoe and 3D rendering, and watching movies with my gf. but my pc would always render faster than the mac would. i still found though that OSX was more user friendly b/c i could be rendering onething and working withanother program. my pc can't handle that(probably b/c it's considered slow by todays definitions). all things considered i don' think you can say macs are better than pcs or visa versa. i think that you need to look into what you are going to use the computer for and the research what you need. i recently read in pc magizine(it's about 6 months old if not more) about a test they ran for the best dual processing plate form. they ran a mac g4 with dual 800s 1 gig ddr and a gforce 4 TI. then 2 pc's, first was dual pentium 2.4 gigs with hyper threading enabled(it's a neato little thing), 1 gig ddr, gforce 4 TI. second pc was dual AMD whatever the fastest chip was, 1 gig ddr(same as what the pc had), and a gforce TI. they ran a few games, some high end video programs, and some render tests. they put a quate in the article "we came to one conclusion very quickly, mac users who scream that there computers are the fastest thing out there and simply full of crap". but then i went and read a mac article out of a mac magizine and saw the same setups and they ran different programs and the mac won. but sad to say that the pentium platfore out performed AMD in both. so in conclusion, buy what YOU need, not what people say you need.

here are those links
best 3d pic http://jerad.travisbsd.org/finished.jpg
best animation - i will up load to someones server b/c i can't handle the traffic on mine
judges choice - http://jerad.travisbsd.org/dew%20fountian%20cr.jpg

and for you mac users who say osx can't have a old school kernal crash, i have video proof that it can, i also need a place to uplaod this too it's 166mg

sorry about the long post
jerad

13B4port

ps these images may look pixelated if you're not viewing them full size, like the first one is 1200 x 1024

vipernicus42

iTrader: (4)

Anyone looking for a great Mac/PC type story, rent "Pirates of Silicon Valley"

Basically it's the story of how Bill Gates stole the tech for the GUI and made his way to being rich off "borrowed" software

So no, Mac isn't a glorified PC, a PC is just a mac clone that has prospered beyond what it started out as.

Just look at XP and OSX. The similarities in the interface changes are incredibly similar. And there's actually been some proof that Apple started their development first... but they can't really say anything because they can't re-sue microsoft for the same case that ran in the '80s.

And another quick neat little story: A company released a copy of linux with a very windows-like interface clone, and integrated WINE (a windows program emulator) so that Win programs could be run on linux. Microsoft wanted to sue because they "stole" the interface style and were making Lindows (the Linux/Windows concoction) run like Windows. Unfortunately, since they *won* that case against Apple in the '80s, they couldn't sue over the same thing and expect to retain any credibility.. so what did they do? They sued over the name "Lindows" supposedly confusing users into thinking that it was made by microsoft! Needless to say, they lost.

Jon

cheapie

Computers and cars are tools. They all have their plusses and minussesses. You buy them for what they can do for you, an that's it. I use a Mac for some things and a PC for other things. I have a REX for some things and a Bronco with a 400HP 351 out of a Lincoln for other things. I got rid of my Honda because enjoy the REX and Bronco enough that I wasn't using it. That's all.

Trying to compare tools that have varying purpossesss or specializations is just plain old bad logic.

pratch

Oh, nobody said that OS X couldn't ever kernel panic. It's just that it's far more rare than the beloved BSOD

If that article was only 6 months old, they'd have tested the dual 1.42 Ghz Macs, so I'm betting it was closer to a year or more. With After Effects 6 finally supporting 2 processors, and the G5 due for shipment by months' end, I can't wait to see a real world AFX render test between the Dual 2Ghz G5 and the fastest Dual Xeon they can find. The results should prove most interesting...

So back to the original subject, as these past posts have shown - people who argue with ignorance, are... well, ignorant It's difficult to argue with them alone unless you're well-informed enough to know the facts, and open-minded enough to not fall back to the "oh yeah well <insert opponents' object> sucks" pose.

13B4port

first off, no one is argueing. i think we alll said the same thing. uy what you need. second off, you're the only one saying"get a mac... it's better". so no one is realy being ignorant but yourself.

pratch

Funny, I don't recall saying that anywhere... I'm the pro-Mac guy saying both have their place and I use both.

I was however mentioning that excitingleopard (someone posting in this thread) was making ignorant comments in an attempt to belittle the Mac (specifically the OS). If that's not ignorance, then I'm quite certain that I don't know what is Perhaps arguement was a bit strong - discussion is closer to what this is. Hell, I even tried to bring this full-circle to the original topic (since rotary vs piston is quite analogous to the Mac vs PC).

Cheers.

Metallic_rock

interesting how this went from engines to computers so quickly....


I will agree that MS did pirate Mac, but I liked my little AMD comp... don't feel like re-learning. I'll let Norton protect me from the viruses and be on my way...

85gsl2ndtimearound

It was kind of a joke...guess i forgot the LOL though. Thank for the great computer info.