HELP! What's wrong with my car? *VIDEO*
Nikki-Modder Rex-Rodder
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From: Trying to convince some clown not to put a Holley 600 on his 12a.
Originally Posted by Glazedham42
Hey guys. I’m very close to being done with this project car, but I am about to go crazy right now.

It is missing and sputtering quite a bit at idle, and it does so more and more as you rev it up. It misses so bad in the higher revs that I can’t even get past 6000 RPM. When you start to rev it up, it bucks and misses and spits and shakes rather violently. ...Rotaries are supposed to be smooth!! The engine shakes and quakes and rattles for no apparent reason.
Not being able to get beyond 6K could be a carb problem.
But shaking and bucking at hi RPM as well as not getting past 6K is almost definitely not a carb problem. I would be hard pressed to try to jet a carb to do that.
It has "Ignition" written alllll over it.
Don't mess with the carb. By your own account, it idled smoothly @ 500 RPM and ran great on the other engine. The jetting requirements won't be different all of the sudden, right?
So I would just check that the linkage isn't hanging up, you have enough throttle cable slack, and do the usual vacuum leak testing. But concider the carb ok so you can rule it out as the cause of the epileptic fits your engine is having.
*On a side note, not getting the idle below 1K could be ignition OR the carb. (-Or both) Turn the throttle shaft adjust screw until you're "idling" at 2K. Now you're out of the idle circuit, and pretty much using the main circuit to maintain an idle. At that RPM, you may also not be relying on Trailing spark for much, but check with someone else.
Be sure to set the throttle stop on your pedal. I know I warned you about this, as I warn everyone. It's very important because if you run out of cable before you run out of pedal, you're basically twisting the throttle shaft farther than it's supposed to go with your foot.
This results in either a twisted shaft (if it was milled thinner for better flow), or divots in one or both primary throttle valves that can raise idle. Often it can only be remedied by an idle bleed correction for that side...A real PITA to figure out!
I am wondering if I have a bad apex seal, and the poor compression is causing some “blow-by” into the next rotor face.
I am also using a racing beat light steel flywheel, with my old counterweight off of the automatic.
As far as fuel goes, I have pretty much replaced the whole fuel system. I cleaned and lined the inside of my fuel tank, replaced all my fuel hoses, and filter. I trashed the stock fuel pump, and I am using a Carter 5 lb. fuel pump instead.
It works great and supplies plenty of fuel pressure at all times. I cleaned out the fuel supply line leading to the carb with compressed air. It has no blockages. I am running a Holley fuel regulator, to my Nikki carb. I regulate the fuel pressure at 2 psi to 2.5 psi.
The Nikki was recently rebuilt by our resident carb. master Sterling.
He removed all the emissions equipment for me, and I believe he also put in bigger jets. I am ignorant when it comes to the guts of the carb though. I am trusting his work on the carburetor because it worked great on the old engine. I have also capped off all the nipples on the carb spacer, and taken the butterfly out of the intake. I have new cork gaskets everywhere on the intake and carburetor that I installed with plenty of Hylomar gasket coating. I have replaced every inch of hose on the car, and have new clamps on all the hoses. I think it is highly unlikely for me to have a vacuum leak, but it could happen.
For air delivery I am using a chopped up stock air cleaner box, and a K&N filter. Nothing fancy, but it should be getting all the air it needs.
I replaced the stock spark plug wires with a nice set of Accel wires. They are the ones that you have to cut to the correct length and then attach the ends yourself. I’m wondering if there is a chance that I screwed it up somewhere and the wires are causing a misfire.
The other thing is you have to watch out for arcing. I know it can degrade performance, but I don't know if it can cause this kind of thing.[quote.]I have replaced the old coils with two brand new MSD Blaster 2 coils.[/quote] ...So much for the brass contact inside the coil being dirty.
The dizzy has a brand new cap and rotor. I have noticed however, that there are significant grooves on some of the pickups inside the dizzy cap, while others show no wear at all.
Also, I have left the vacuum pots on the dizzy uncapped. I don’t know if this is correct or not but it is what I have done. Also, I have the little black bullet plug by the dizzy unplugged. Is this the vacuum advance?? I still don’t know anything about vacuum advance, so I may be making some mistakes as far as that is concerned.
I installed the dizzy into the engine exactly like the Haynes says to. I aligned the leading timing mark on the pulley with the indicator pin. Then I lined up the indentation on the dizzy shaft with the indicator notch. After doing this I dropped it straight into the engine. Checked the timing and both my leading and trailing marks were right on. The car was still running like crap though. At first I thought that I may have screwed up the dizzy installation. I wondered if I was off by a tooth one way or the other. But since then I have re-installed it probably ten times just like the Haynes says, and I get the same results every time. The car sputters and misses every time I start it. I’ve wondered if I have a bad igniter, which I’m guessing is a distinct possibility, but all four of the spark plugs are still firing. I put my timing light on any one of the four plug wires as a method to check for spark, and the timing light will flash on all four of them. I’m assuming that this means they are all getting spark.
Still think your shaft is off.
I would stick with regular 2 cycle oil for premix.Synthetic is even better if you can afford it.Performance 2 cycle oil like Yamalube would be prefferable over generic lawn and garden, or outboard 2 cycle oil.MMO is kinda a gray area oil.Its not exactly specific what its rated to handle.Some say its more a cleaner,others say its an additive,others swear its a straight lubricant.Even the labeling is vauge.I wouldnt trust it to be the sole lubricant for my apex seals,even if it does burn clean.Good dino, and all synthetic 2 cycle oils burn clean when ratio'ed properly with good gas in a healthy engine.
Its also important to add the oil before you fill the tank with gas.Or better yet(but more hassel),have the pre measured oil mixed and shaken in a small gas can with about a quart of fuel.This will thin out the oil and make it readily mix with the incoming straight fuel.Whatever you do,dont put the oil in last or it wont mix well and you could end up sucking super-heavy,unmixed oil off the bottom of the tank and REALLY screwing up the mix.........and also,run 87 cheap gas,N/A rotaries like it over premium.
Its also important to add the oil before you fill the tank with gas.Or better yet(but more hassel),have the pre measured oil mixed and shaken in a small gas can with about a quart of fuel.This will thin out the oil and make it readily mix with the incoming straight fuel.Whatever you do,dont put the oil in last or it wont mix well and you could end up sucking super-heavy,unmixed oil off the bottom of the tank and REALLY screwing up the mix.........and also,run 87 cheap gas,N/A rotaries like it over premium.
I am also using a racing beat light steel flywheel, with my old counterweight off of the automatic.

That would explain the vibration all teh time and why it won't rev above 6k. Even if it's not the total cause, i would fix that first because it can do serious harm to the motor, maybe put your old flywheel on just to make suse that's not the issue, or get the correct counter weight. contact racingbeat, they're realy good at responding to email. ussual only takes 24 - 48 hours to get a response.
Originally Posted by cdrad51
Watched the video too. That was the kind of sputering I was getting when my carb was not jetted right, too big fuel jets, resulting in running excessively rich. Once I changed to smaller fuel jets, problem was gone. Check your spark plugs. Are they black? if so, you might be running too rich and either need to reduce the size of the fuel jets starting with the primaries, or increase the size of the air bleeds. My $0.02.
what an annoying wannabee. so much talk but your car runs like ****, not to mention you kept on blowing your motors.
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Couldn't Help Notice That You Have The Same Blaster Coils On Your Car I Do, How Ever Mine Came A Ballast To Connect To Each. Did Yours Come With Them And Didn't Hook Them Up? Or Do You Even Have To Hook Them Up?
Nikki-Modder Rex-Rodder
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From: Trying to convince some clown not to put a Holley 600 on his 12a.
Originally Posted by fast7
what an annoying wannabee. so much talk but your car runs like ****, not to mention you kept on blowing your motors.
Do NOT turn this thread sour!
Poor Jamie has been working his *** off building this car from scratch for over a year. Let's help him out.
Ok,
I'd like to whittle down my potential problems some more so if I can get everyone's assistance again we'll do just that.
I want to elminate the speculation that I may be using the incorrect counterweight with my lightened flywheel, and new engine. My car is an 85 GS, and was originally an overdrive automatic. When I took the original automatic engine out, I removed the counterweight from it. Thus giving me a good 85 counterweight to use. I then purchased my replacement engine from the junkyard in Ohio, over the telephone out of another "Manual 85 GS". I never saw the car in person so I can't be sure what year it was. I am 98% positive that the engine I bought REALLY IS out of an 85 like they said. The junkyard claimed that it was an 85 engine, and I trust them very much. I have always had great luck dealing with them.
I have posted some pictures of the junkyard engine below. I am not sure how to distinguish what year the engine is, so this is where I need everyone's help. If any of you guys can tell me how to correctly identify the year of the engine, I can definitely rule this out as the cause of the problem. I'm not sure what to look for, so I put some generic pictures up to start with. If anyone needs pictures of a certain area to make a correct determination please let me know, and I will post the appropriate pictures of the engine.
The way that the engine is running makes me believe that it is NOT a compatability issue between the engine and counterweight. The blips and misses in the throttle are not always constant, and seem to happen randomly when compared to the engine RPMS. If the counterweight and engine were matched wrong, I believe that I would be experiencing a constant shaking at all times, that increases with the engine speed. This is not the case. These jerks, and shakes seem to happen rather haphazardly which makes me think it is an ignition issue. Also, I read back through my initial post, and I believe that I may have exaggerated the harshness of the shaking that I'm feeling. It is not what I would call "violent". I would say that it feels like a typical misfire. The engine bucks a little bit, and as the speed picks up you can really start to notice it. But it doesn't feel like the engine is going to rip itself off the mounts....
Let me know what year you guys think this engine is.... Thanks!
Jamie
I'd like to whittle down my potential problems some more so if I can get everyone's assistance again we'll do just that.
I want to elminate the speculation that I may be using the incorrect counterweight with my lightened flywheel, and new engine. My car is an 85 GS, and was originally an overdrive automatic. When I took the original automatic engine out, I removed the counterweight from it. Thus giving me a good 85 counterweight to use. I then purchased my replacement engine from the junkyard in Ohio, over the telephone out of another "Manual 85 GS". I never saw the car in person so I can't be sure what year it was. I am 98% positive that the engine I bought REALLY IS out of an 85 like they said. The junkyard claimed that it was an 85 engine, and I trust them very much. I have always had great luck dealing with them.
I have posted some pictures of the junkyard engine below. I am not sure how to distinguish what year the engine is, so this is where I need everyone's help. If any of you guys can tell me how to correctly identify the year of the engine, I can definitely rule this out as the cause of the problem. I'm not sure what to look for, so I put some generic pictures up to start with. If anyone needs pictures of a certain area to make a correct determination please let me know, and I will post the appropriate pictures of the engine.
The way that the engine is running makes me believe that it is NOT a compatability issue between the engine and counterweight. The blips and misses in the throttle are not always constant, and seem to happen randomly when compared to the engine RPMS. If the counterweight and engine were matched wrong, I believe that I would be experiencing a constant shaking at all times, that increases with the engine speed. This is not the case. These jerks, and shakes seem to happen rather haphazardly which makes me think it is an ignition issue. Also, I read back through my initial post, and I believe that I may have exaggerated the harshness of the shaking that I'm feeling. It is not what I would call "violent". I would say that it feels like a typical misfire. The engine bucks a little bit, and as the speed picks up you can really start to notice it. But it doesn't feel like the engine is going to rip itself off the mounts....
Let me know what year you guys think this engine is.... Thanks!

Jamie
Originally Posted by fast7
what an annoying wannabee. so much talk but your car runs like ****, not to mention you kept on blowing your motors.
Originally Posted by Glazedham42
Sterling,
Sent you another email about my mixture screw. Just some thoughts that I'm throwing around.. Let me know what you think. THanks..
Sent you another email about my mixture screw. Just some thoughts that I'm throwing around.. Let me know what you think. THanks..

Nice looking motor Jamie! How sure are you that the grounding is adequate? I was having some ignition stumbling/missing that was fixed by running some new ground wires from the engine to the battery. Just a thought....Good luck man!
Did the motor come with the beehive on it? I can't tell from the pics, but does the heater hose nipple on the side of the engine (by the oil pressure sender) have a tee or does it come straight out? If it had the beehive and/or a tee on the heater hose nipple, you do have an 83-85 12A engine. These years all used the same rotors so the balance should be fine if this is the case.
Originally Posted by Glazedham42
Anyone have confirmation on the year of my engine?? 

If I were you, I will switch back to NGK wires. somtimes, it may idle fine but its cutting out on high RPM like the magnecor
Dump the stock carb and get a real carb like a sidedraft or a holley your having secondary problems , jets in carb are clogged so fuel is not flowing correctly,aslo try to advance the trailing on the dist. {HAVE FUN}
Nikki-Modder Rex-Rodder
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From: Trying to convince some clown not to put a Holley 600 on his 12a.
Originally Posted by ricksrx3
Dump the stock carb and get a real carb like a sidedraft or a holley your having secondary problems , jets in carb are clogged so fuel is not flowing correctly,aslo try to advance the trailing on the dist. {HAVE FUN}
Another ******* has joined the forum.
You said you think it might be the timing, there was a write up on how to find TDC on the motor, i forgot where it was though
. but find TDC and them put the dizzy in the motor and time it up by ear and see if that helps. also a very dumb thing but try rotating the dizzy cap 180 degrees.
. but find TDC and them put the dizzy in the motor and time it up by ear and see if that helps. also a very dumb thing but try rotating the dizzy cap 180 degrees.
Originally Posted by gsl-se addict
Did the motor come with the beehive on it? I can't tell from the pics, but does the heater hose nipple on the side of the engine (by the oil pressure sender) have a tee or does it come straight out? If it had the beehive and/or a tee on the heater hose nipple, you do have an 83-85 12A engine. These years all used the same rotors so the balance should be fine if this is the case.
I would think this is an ignition problem.


