fb, fc, f-me I'm confused
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From: Saskatoon, Saskatchewan, Canada
The Renesis is just that, Renesis. As far as acronyms go, it's a version of the MSPRE (Multiple Side Port Rotary Engine) shown in the RX-01 and RX-EVOLV. To call the motor a 13B is a little erroneous, IMHO, as there are several significant internal changes. It is the same basic displacement and shape as the 13B, however.
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From: NorCAL
Kinda offtopic but ...
I believe the new 13B is just called the Renesis. Yes it has the exhaust ports in the side plates instead of the rotor housings. (Is this the definition of peripheral port?) According to C&D April 2003 this 2-rotor naturally aspirated engine displaces 1308cc, puts out 250hp @ 8500 rpm and 156 lb-ft of torque @ 5500 rpm. The tach in the RX-8 shows the redline at 9000 rpm.
Re: Kinda offtopic but ...
Originally posted by 1984special
it has the exhaust ports in the side plates instead of the rotor housings. (Is this the definition of peripheral port?)
it has the exhaust ports in the side plates instead of the rotor housings. (Is this the definition of peripheral port?)
More porting info:
http://members.rogers.com/sofronov/C...y/Porting.html
Yea, I'm working on it...
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From: Click click fucking click, Africa
well i heard the specs on the FE where wrong and it pushes at max 240 course that was a rumor. me being a noob this post helps out alot, some of you more experienced guys need to make a sticky
i'm as confused as a hungry baby at a titty bar
p.s. don't ask me what a baby is doing in a titty bar.
i'm as confused as a hungry baby at a titty bar
p.s. don't ask me what a baby is doing in a titty bar.
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From: Ottawa, Soviet Canuckistan
The specs for the FE were not "wrong" , they just weren't up to American emissions spec.
Let me explain. When the FE first hit the shores of the United States, it didn't pass emissions. So in a real hurry, Mazda reprogrammed the computer to make it pass emissions - at the cost of like 7hp. Within a year there'll be an ECU update which should hopefully fix the problem.
So yes the FE DOES produce it's original rated horsepower - outside of the United States.
So if you want that extra HP back, just complain to your local gov't... or do what I do: Live in Canada!
Jon
Let me explain. When the FE first hit the shores of the United States, it didn't pass emissions. So in a real hurry, Mazda reprogrammed the computer to make it pass emissions - at the cost of like 7hp. Within a year there'll be an ECU update which should hopefully fix the problem.
So yes the FE DOES produce it's original rated horsepower - outside of the United States.
So if you want that extra HP back, just complain to your local gov't... or do what I do: Live in Canada!
Jon
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"i'm as confused as a hungry baby at a titty bar"
ROFL ! thats wicked.. lol..
As I have been here for quite a while, and think I know a lot more than a NOOB, the only thing I am confused about is the fact that Vipernicus has 958 posts and is asking what FB, FC is? or, were you joking?
ROFL ! thats wicked.. lol..
As I have been here for quite a while, and think I know a lot more than a NOOB, the only thing I am confused about is the fact that Vipernicus has 958 posts and is asking what FB, FC is? or, were you joking?
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Originally posted by 82transam
Everything I've read calls the RX8's engine a 13B Renesis. So basically no one knows what its really called.
Everything I've read calls the RX8's engine a 13B Renesis. So basically no one knows what its really called.
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From: Ottawa, Soviet Canuckistan
Lol, the reason I am listed as asing about FB-FC when I have over 900 posts is because I made this thread when I had less than 100 posts!!!!
It just got brought back from the dead a while back with the release of the new FAQ. I had even almost forgotten about it completely.... It's a pretty old post.
I've learned a hell of a lot since then, and believe me, I am no longer confused by FB, FC, FD stuff!
peace
Jon
It just got brought back from the dead a while back with the release of the new FAQ. I had even almost forgotten about it completely.... It's a pretty old post.
I've learned a hell of a lot since then, and believe me, I am no longer confused by FB, FC, FD stuff!
peaceJon
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From: Ottawa, Soviet Canuckistan
I figured I'd update this because along with the FB, FC type designations there are also the S1-S6 designations used. These were brought up in a recent post, so I'll quote and include the new info:
Jon
Originally posted by 85rotarypower
There are basic "codes" we use for the cars. Lets see:
SA=1979-1980=S1
FB=1981-1983=S2
FB=1984-1985=S3
FC=1986-1988=S4
FC=1989-1991=S5
FD=1993-1995=S6(I believe)
Thats the codes. Of course, SA/FB was the 1st gen, FC was the 2nd gen, FD was the 3rd gen. I think I got it all right.
There are basic "codes" we use for the cars. Lets see:
SA=1979-1980=S1
FB=1981-1983=S2
FB=1984-1985=S3
FC=1986-1988=S4
FC=1989-1991=S5
FD=1993-1995=S6(I believe)
Thats the codes. Of course, SA/FB was the 1st gen, FC was the 2nd gen, FD was the 3rd gen. I think I got it all right.
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Originally posted by honegod
how about WE start calling it the "13C" first, then the whole world will see the logic of it and follow our lead ?
how about WE start calling it the "13C" first, then the whole world will see the logic of it and follow our lead ?
Considering it IS a 13B engine design, why would anyone want to call it a 13C?
ps - thumbs up to bringing back threads from the dead haha
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That's how the name was derived by the marketing folks, yup... but the point was it's not R.E.N.E.S.I.S, as in an acronym that 'stands for' something, but simply Renesis, a cool name for a cool engine.
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yeah, check manntis' website at rotorhead.ca he has a breakdown of what they meanand the SA Vins are less than 17 didgits all cars imported after a certain Date need to have them, plus it confuses Honda people who think the seven started with FC they always claim Im lying
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I think what noob was trying to say is that in the USA (and consequently up here in Soviet Kanuckistan) they decided that starting around 1981 or so VINs had to be 17 characters long and follow a certain standard. Outside of North America, the SA designation stayed through the run of the First Generation Rx7. Over here though using SA and FB also allows us to differentiate between the 79-80 models and the 81-85 models where significant changes were made in everything from the exhaust to the rat's nest, to the flywheel and brakes.
Wow... I can't believe this thread still exists!
Jon
Wow... I can't believe this thread still exists!
Jon
Alrighty guys, for those of you unfortunate enough Not to have an FC, Here's from the FAQs of my section...
PS - Sorry, I love my dad's FB, but my FC is my baby
Hope this helps.
PS - Sorry, I love my dad's FB, but my FC is my baby
What do the abbreviations I see in the 2nd gen section mean?
AAS = Auto Adjusting suspension
ACV = Air Control Valve
AFM = Air Flow Meter (also see MAF)
A-spec = North American Spec
ATF = Automatic transmission fluid
Auto = Automatic transmission
AWS = Accelerated Warm-Up System
BAC = Bypass Air Control
CAS = Crank Angle Sensor
CPU = Central Processing Unit (the Body computer)
DEI = Dynamic Effect Intake (found on 84 and later 13B engines)
DMM = Digital Multi-Meter (required for most electrical testing on cars)
DTSS = Dynamic tracking suspension system (found on all 2nd gen RX-7s)
ECU = Emissions Control Unit (also called Engine Control unit)
EFI = Electronic Fuel Injection
EGI = Electronic Gasoline Injection
EMS = Engine Management System (aftermarket engine computer)
FB = 1st gen RX-7 81-85 production
FC = 2nd gen RX-7 86-92 production
FC3C = 2nd gen RX-7 convertible
FC3S = 2nd gen RX-7 Coupe
FCD = Fuel Cut defender (aftermarket- used only on Turbos with modifed exhaust and stock ECU)
FD = 3rd gen RX-7
FI = Fuel Injection
FMIC = Front Mount Intercooler
GS = Sporty Model (in CAN)
GT = Sporty Model with Turbo
GT Limited = fully loaded every option turbo model.
GTU = Sporty model in 88, base model in 89-90 (in USA)
GTUs = Sporty model in 89-90 (in USA)
GX = Luxury Coupe model (in CAN)
GXL = Top line Luxury non turbo model
J-Spec = Japanese/NZ/AUS spec model
LSD = Limited Slip Differential (sometimes incorrectly called Posi or Positraction which is GM's in-house brand name for their Limited Slip Differential)
MAF = Mass Air Flow sensor
MOP = Metering Oil Pump. Oil Metering Pump as called in the service manual. (also see OMP)
NA = 1st gen Miata
NA = Normally aspirated/ Non turbo
N/A = Normally aspirated/ Non turbo
NB = 2nd gen Miata
OE = Original Equipment
OEM = Original Equipment Manufacture
OMP = Oil Metering pump
PD = Pulsation Dampener
PS = Power steering
PW = Power windows
SA = 1st gen RX-7 79-80 production
Savanna = The name the 1st and 2nd gen RX-7 was sold under in Japan.
SE = Base model in the USA in 87.5-88
Series 1 / S1 = 1979-1980 RX-7 models
Series 2 / S2 = 1981-1983 RX-7 models
Series 3 / S3 = 1984-1985 RX-7 models
Series 4 / S4 = 1986-1988 RX-7 models
Series 5 / S5 = 1989-1992 RX-7 models
Series 6 / S6 = 1992-1995 RX-7 models
Sport = 86-87 Sporty model (in USA also see GS)
TB = Throttle Body
TBM = Throttle body modification
TID = Turbo Intake Duct
TMIC = Top Mount InterCooler (factory style)
TPS = Throttle position sensor
TII = Turbo model
T2 = Turbo model
VDI = Variable Dynamic Intake
WOT = Wide Open Throttle
6PI = 6 Port Induction the auxiliary ports, or the not so correct term - 5th/6th ports
13B = Normally aspirated/ Non turbo, 2 rotor, rotary engine.
13BT = Turbo charged, 2 rotor, rotary engine
13B-RE = J-spec Cosmo twin turbo, 2 rotor, rotary engine.
13B-REW = FD twin turbo, 2 rotor, rotary engine.
20B = J-spec Cosmo three rotor, rotary engine.
AAS = Auto Adjusting suspension
ACV = Air Control Valve
AFM = Air Flow Meter (also see MAF)
A-spec = North American Spec
ATF = Automatic transmission fluid
Auto = Automatic transmission
AWS = Accelerated Warm-Up System
BAC = Bypass Air Control
CAS = Crank Angle Sensor
CPU = Central Processing Unit (the Body computer)
DEI = Dynamic Effect Intake (found on 84 and later 13B engines)
DMM = Digital Multi-Meter (required for most electrical testing on cars)
DTSS = Dynamic tracking suspension system (found on all 2nd gen RX-7s)
ECU = Emissions Control Unit (also called Engine Control unit)
EFI = Electronic Fuel Injection
EGI = Electronic Gasoline Injection
EMS = Engine Management System (aftermarket engine computer)
FB = 1st gen RX-7 81-85 production
FC = 2nd gen RX-7 86-92 production
FC3C = 2nd gen RX-7 convertible
FC3S = 2nd gen RX-7 Coupe
FCD = Fuel Cut defender (aftermarket- used only on Turbos with modifed exhaust and stock ECU)
FD = 3rd gen RX-7
FI = Fuel Injection
FMIC = Front Mount Intercooler
GS = Sporty Model (in CAN)
GT = Sporty Model with Turbo
GT Limited = fully loaded every option turbo model.
GTU = Sporty model in 88, base model in 89-90 (in USA)
GTUs = Sporty model in 89-90 (in USA)
GX = Luxury Coupe model (in CAN)
GXL = Top line Luxury non turbo model
J-Spec = Japanese/NZ/AUS spec model
LSD = Limited Slip Differential (sometimes incorrectly called Posi or Positraction which is GM's in-house brand name for their Limited Slip Differential)
MAF = Mass Air Flow sensor
MOP = Metering Oil Pump. Oil Metering Pump as called in the service manual. (also see OMP)
NA = 1st gen Miata
NA = Normally aspirated/ Non turbo
N/A = Normally aspirated/ Non turbo
NB = 2nd gen Miata
OE = Original Equipment
OEM = Original Equipment Manufacture
OMP = Oil Metering pump
PD = Pulsation Dampener
PS = Power steering
PW = Power windows
SA = 1st gen RX-7 79-80 production
Savanna = The name the 1st and 2nd gen RX-7 was sold under in Japan.
SE = Base model in the USA in 87.5-88
Series 1 / S1 = 1979-1980 RX-7 models
Series 2 / S2 = 1981-1983 RX-7 models
Series 3 / S3 = 1984-1985 RX-7 models
Series 4 / S4 = 1986-1988 RX-7 models
Series 5 / S5 = 1989-1992 RX-7 models
Series 6 / S6 = 1992-1995 RX-7 models
Sport = 86-87 Sporty model (in USA also see GS)
TB = Throttle Body
TBM = Throttle body modification
TID = Turbo Intake Duct
TMIC = Top Mount InterCooler (factory style)
TPS = Throttle position sensor
TII = Turbo model
T2 = Turbo model
VDI = Variable Dynamic Intake
WOT = Wide Open Throttle
6PI = 6 Port Induction the auxiliary ports, or the not so correct term - 5th/6th ports
13B = Normally aspirated/ Non turbo, 2 rotor, rotary engine.
13BT = Turbo charged, 2 rotor, rotary engine
13B-RE = J-spec Cosmo twin turbo, 2 rotor, rotary engine.
13B-REW = FD twin turbo, 2 rotor, rotary engine.
20B = J-spec Cosmo three rotor, rotary engine.
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Here's another one.... I don't know what it is, exactly, but I KNOW if I do a search, it'll all be essplain'd to me. 
DLIDFIS
Dual Leading Igniter Direct Fire Ignition System
It still confuses me every time I see it, so off I go searchin'
DLIDFIS
Dual Leading Igniter Direct Fire Ignition System
It still confuses me every time I see it, so off I go searchin'
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Thanks that site was helpful, but what I wanted to know was if the letters stand for a word. Like RX-7 stands for rotary project 7. Does like FD3S stand for something other than 3rd generation RX-7. Like does the F stand for a word, does the D stand for a word, etc. Sorry to ask but it's really bugging me.
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I don't think they do, but I know that the FB FC FD designation is from the VIN number (that's kinda redundant)... but that was stated on the 2nd reply to this thread from RH-7.
The letters come from the vehicles' serial numbers in case you were wondering if we just made them up or something.
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Originally Posted by WonkoTheSane
Alrighty guys, for those of you unfortunate enough Not to have an FC, Here's from the FAQs of my section...
PS - Sorry, I love my dad's FB, but my FC is my baby
Hope this helps.
PS - Sorry, I love my dad's FB, but my FC is my baby
Hope this helps.
While I'm at it, what does 'lol' and 'meh' stand for? They are obviously rotor-speak, but not anything I'm familiar with.
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