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Old May 24, 2003 | 01:05 PM
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Glad to hear it's running again. And thanks for posting again, it adds to our collective diagnostic lore.

Reliability should be good, but remember it's a used car with high mileage. I bought my 83 new and with 116k it's very reliable. Last year I bought a used 85 with 49k and it's been very reliable. I've owned several american, japanese, brit and italian cars, and the 7 seems the most reliable to me. Plus, I love the way the 116k motor hums so smoothly, compared to the lumpy thrashing noise of boingers.

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Old May 24, 2003 | 03:42 PM
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everyone I ever seen, and I have seen and worked on a shitload of them it runs for a second or so, and then resumes only upon cranking the motor, it only runs for the second to estabilish some flow/presure
Well the only way (besides bypassing the relay) to get the pump to crank with the key on is to unplug the emissions "computer". This will drop power off the relay that cuts the fuel pump.
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Old Feb 13, 2004 | 04:36 PM
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Hmm, my 85 GSL pumps gas when the key switch is on, continously, not just for a second or two. Or at least I can hear the pump operating. All the emissions crap is in place. I was looking at this as the possible cause of engine flooding on my engine, and in doing a search I found this thread, which surprised me as I thought my fuel pump was supposed to operate like that normally.
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Old Feb 13, 2004 | 06:53 PM
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Either your relay is stuck, somone bypassed it, or your emissions "computer" is unplugged/not working correctly.
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Old Feb 13, 2004 | 09:15 PM
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Hey guys - SE's with Fuel Injection are the only 84/85 that don't run the pump unless the engine is turning (cranking or running). This is because the higher pressure of an EFI fuel system would cause injector 'leak-down' that results in flooded chambers, and flooded engines that won't start.

Carb'd cars will run the fuel pump anytime the ignition switch is in the ON position, as opposed to the RUN positionl

EFI cars will only run the fuel pump when the engine is cranking or running.

84/85 NON-SE cars still have carbs and still run fuel pumps all the time. 84/85SE cars are EFI. HTH,
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Old Feb 13, 2004 | 09:42 PM
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Thanks for the clarification.
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Old Feb 13, 2004 | 11:20 PM
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Its in pretty bad shape.....I'll give you $50.
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Old Feb 13, 2004 | 11:56 PM
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Old Feb 14, 2004 | 09:18 PM
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man you got lucky, hope it works out in the end


but seriously, great to hear you fixed it

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Old Feb 14, 2004 | 09:31 PM
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Originally posted by LongDuck
Hey guys - SE's with Fuel Injection are the only 84/85 that don't run the pump unless the engine is turning (cranking or running). This is because the higher pressure of an EFI fuel system would cause injector 'leak-down' that results in flooded chambers, and flooded engines that won't start.

Carb'd cars will run the fuel pump anytime the ignition switch is in the ON position, as opposed to the RUN positionl

EFI cars will only run the fuel pump when the engine is cranking or running.

84/85 NON-SE cars still have carbs and still run fuel pumps all the time. 84/85SE cars are EFI. HTH,
No, in my '85 GS the pump only runs when it's cranking.
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Old Feb 15, 2004 | 07:55 AM
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OK, it is running again. The problem turned out to be the relay that controls the fuel pump. The fuel filter was replaced first but did not solve the problem.

The Haynes manual on this car covers the years 79-85. The main section on fuel in the front of the book says the fuel pump should run with the iginition switch ON. The schematic diagram shows the fuel pump connected directly to the ignition switch ON position. As an afterthought, Haynes put in a section on "newer models" in the back. It does say that 84's and 85's have a relay that prevents the pump from running unless the engine is running. They do show a jumper location to test the fuel pump with the engine not running.
If you go to www.wankel.net/~krwright and click on his RX-7 section of the page, he has the 1985 factory manual in PDF format, download that puppy it will make your life MUCH easier. The Haynes doesn't go into enough detail on the later model cars to be of much help in these sorts of cases.

Congrats on the purchase BTW.
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Old Feb 15, 2004 | 09:56 AM
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Sorry, I brought the thread back from the dead. That guy started the thread back in May '03, and from what I can see his last post was Nov '03, when he sold his car...
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Old Feb 15, 2004 | 07:41 PM
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