id love to go do some mountain driving, and honestly i'd love to go rallying, but the mountains are a good 4 hour drive for me, so as of right now i spend most of my time on backroads out in the country.

I was impressed at how quick my car could take those turns and hold on, despite the loose traction that could be attained easily from the dirty, rocky road.

Seat time
seat time

Heh, yeah yeah, we get it, we get it. Tho, some of us aren't as able to get as much in as we'd like to, y'know. So, we just like to talk, get some ideas, and then prepare for that one lucky day when we'll actually be able to go out and get some real seat time.

Only works when your car is running.

The biggest issue I can see with drifting an FB is horsepower...

200whp works great

hmm...
I didn't want it to be rude, but I wanted to bring it back to FB's and drifting. Not this huge broad discussion about Initial D teaching us to heel-toe, yanking the e-brake in front wheel drive cars. The winning auto x was to illustrate the point that yanking the e-brake in a FF car is worthless and you win gain little or no experiance from it.

If you guys want to talk about FB's and drifting I am all game, and I would love to have a polite conversation. If you guys feel like discussing Initial D take it to the lounge and I will be more than happy to politely discuss it there with you also. I'm just trying to keep things seperate and in their place.

When I made this name I was very into drifting because it was right before it blew up a few years ago. Now I still drift every once in a while, but I am more of a car enthusiast and enjoy highway cruising, drifting, mountain driving, just having fun with my car.

Thank you. Someone needed to say that.

When I had my mitsubishi mirage, I saw the initial D episode with the left foot braking... this started giving me ideas and got me at least triing to get my fwd car sideways without the e-brake. You cant say initial d dosent have some accurate depiction of drifting techniques... although I would NEVER EVER try to use a rain gutter as a slingshot LMAO! Kiechi Tsuchiya did advise the producers of that show, so its not all bullshit....

Hey, maybe it didnt teach me how to drift, but it certainly inspired me. :)

*Great freaking show!!!*

Bloody hell. Stop with the FWD + DRIFT crap.

fwd can not drift
fwd's do not countersteer anything like a rwd
Only retards drop their tyres into gutters to try and corner faster (are you planning to drive on only 3 wheels over a huge gutter for your next initial d inspired technique).
And finally, initial d is a show, nothing more. Don't take everything Ryousuke says as gospel because in the real world it has little to no relevance.

Back on topic. Sa22c/Fb handbrakes, is it possible to lock the rear tyres with these. I've got slotted disks on the back and I've tightened the hand brake as far as possible yet no success. I'm quite aware that there are other methods of kicking the arse out, but the handbrake is one of the easiest and good for massive entrys too, or pro longing entries.

dont get pissed for asking this, but are you pushing the clutch in? I ask cause like three people ive seen dont understand that you need the clutch in, they either kill the car and spin or they dont drift cause they are pushing the gas and the rears wont lock up.

some guy at an industrial park said that FWD drifters are ferocious monsters called ass-dragons, lol, its lame but kind of clever

Q: What is a drift??
A: a 4 wheel slide.

now whats to say front wheel drive car cannot do that? and you speak only of rwd. idk, maybe you think awd cannot drift either. but i would bet that an awd car countersteers nothing like a rwd car, yet somehow they can still drift.

i dont know if your familiar with the "rally" but in alot of "rally" racies, fwd cars drift. just because they are not using the throttle to cause a break in traction for the rear tires, doesnt mean their not in a 4 wheel slide, while turning mind you.

and if you think driving on three wheels is bad? have you ever watched a fwd car race?

and as far initila d not being informative? i agree it should not be taken as holy grail, but the show is very informative. its not like they go flaunting a bunch of shit that isnt true.

and if your going to compare fwd to rwd, why use a hand brake to initiate and rwd slide?

and slotted disc's arent going to do you a whole lot of good, unless your, either using stock break pads, or need your rotors to be shaved clean everytime you brake.i.e. you do alot of heavy braking, then sit on your brakes, and need to re-bed them alot.

What you're talking about is oversteer, slightly different to drift. Practically any car can oversteer.
Drifting is oversteering while the rear tyres are spinning to accelerate the car and provide some level of cornering force as well. A front wheel drive car by nature can not do this, sure you can lock up the rear brakes and get a nice flat spot on your tyre, but does the car accelerate throughout the corner? No not at all, a fwd will lose huge amounts of speed where as a rwd will not.
Front wheel drive vehicles just arse drag.

And to answer Weed Wacker, yes I am clutching in, I've even tried ripping the hand brake up while braking hard to lighten the load on the rear but still no success.

Now excuse me while I go and cut a corner in my mr2 turbo and jump over this guy in his 250hp formula atlantic engine powered ae86... which amazingly runs perfectly normal on the street and idles quite low, so smooth that when this guy goes to deliver tofu whilst drifting up hill the cup doesn't even drop any water.... yeah totaly informative lol

soo..the front wheels no longer spin?? you can put fwd car into a 4 wheel drift, then as the car is sliding, use the throttle to pull out. its not like im making up the fact that fwd rally cars drift.

and i said it was informative, not intirely realistic. there is good information to be had, but its just like this place, you have to weed through the bullshit.

Every one needs to chill out. Yes front wheel drives can drift, is it as fun and exciting as rear wheel drive no. All wheel cars can drift just as well, but not as exciting as rear wheel. I also think any car can drift, maybe not very exciting or smoky but yea anything can slide.

Back onto the hand brake, I do use it during slides but its used only to control my angle on de-accel drifts. Such as i am coming out of a 3rd gear corner into a 2nd gear corner. If i hit the foot brake the car doesnt rotate it continues to slide straight. So i adjust my speed with the hand brake which also makes it rotate more. But i prefer fient w/ a clutch kick to start(flick/kick). even on decreasing radious turns, you just need to start your fick/kick sooner to hit your apex correctly. But all this will come in time. Most poeple should only worry about figure 8's, then large dougnuts before attempting more advanced techniques.
Remeber its all about having fun, and if you push your self you will bang a few curbs, and trees so be warned.
Adam

thats RIGHT!!
you tell em

can we just end this thread on this note. thank you.

ok with that explanation then i apologize, and i can see what you are trying to get at and i can agree aside from countersteering, and allowing me to feel a little more comfortable in a car thats going sideways, FF ebraking is pretty useless aside from a fun factor. still not as fun as drifitng.

and waht are the mountains like where you drive, thats still one of my goals is to get out and drive in the mountains, but its hard to get to.

and while on the drifitng subject again, i recieved my DTSS eliminators for my FC today. should have it out and drifting soon.

and anyone on here using spray on bed liner in there car for sound proofing on a stripped vehicle, i was considering it for when i get my FB

just for the hell of it, ive uploaded a video of myself drifting, its from march though, so i'm not very good because i had just started in jan. or feb. i'll post the link when it finishes the uploading process

http://youtube.com/watch?v=pg5vUDAVnkk

thats me in march in my black FC. make the video smaller otherwise it looks like a sci-fi UFO video. not smoke really, but still sliding.

Thank you! Yeesh, I was hoping this thread wasn't going to turn ugly and make it really worse.

And the banging curbs bit, been there. Took a sharp turn too fast (40 mph) and ended up banging the rear wheel, bending the rear axle quite a bit, smashing in the rim, and shifting the entire axle over to the left. $950 later, tho, I had a new axle and wheel installed. Needless to say......won't do that again. :rlaugh:

i got a curb going about 45 in second. learned my lesson aswell.

So you can use the handrbake to lock up the wheels, which means my cars handbrake needs adjusting or something to get it to bite better. At the moment I'm working my arse off so I can get my car ready for a track day in two weeks. If I can do anything half decent I should be able to get some movie footage or at least some pictures

Going straight or barely turning a handbrake even when you rip it up may have a hard time locking the wheels. When I was first getting started I made sure that the car had some medium to heavy cornering load on the tires before yanking the e-brake. This is when I was practicing doing little 180s.

As for mountain roads go I am lucky enough to have too many around me to get to them all. I live off of the highway that connects Reno NV to Lake Tahoe,
-So theres Reno to LT, it's not my taste though, long straights into 30mph hairpins. Very easy to destroy brakes on that road and theres lots of tourists.
-There is a very windy road, all second and third gear, from Reno to Virginia City, Mark Twain lived there.
-From the backside of VC to a town called Dayton there is Six mile canyon, its nice but a bit of a drive.
-Then there is a whole maze of windy backroads that I sometimes take between Lake Tahoe, through Trukee CA to a small town called Graeagle. There are many different branches and side roads, alot of fun.

And then Reno just has many hidden away idustrial areas to hit. So my town is pretty blessed on spots to drive.