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Old Jan 16, 2012 | 03:08 PM
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Clutch size question

Not sure if this is a simple to answer question or not..

I have an SA with an FC transmission and the clutch is starting to slip.

So question is; Which clutch is "likely" in the car? Can it only be one or the other or can it be either, and I wont know till I take it apart?
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Old Jan 16, 2012 | 04:08 PM
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the transmission doesn't matter, it'll take either clutch as the input shaft is the same.

a 79-82 engine should have the small clutch as the only stock flywheels are for the 215mm clutches, but you never know.... may not be a 79-82 engine!
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Old Jan 16, 2012 | 04:41 PM
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So I likely will have to take it apart and measure before ordering then.
(Engine was replaced/rebuilt 2 previous owners ago so yeah, may well not be a 79-82...)


Thanks, for answering.
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Old Jan 16, 2012 | 04:59 PM
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You may be able to see in through the inspection cover on top of the engine, and compare it to the flywheel information on the FAQ page at Mazdatrix's website. Specifically, you need to locate a casting number on the engine side of the flywheel.

All you need to know is if it's '79-80 (215mm), 81-82 (also 215mm), or '83-85 (225mm).

All 225mm interchange - you can use an FC clutch on an '83-up no problem. I've done it.

You can also use a 215mm disk on a 225mm system. Done that too. The only thing you can't do is put a 225mm disk on a 215 flywheel, and you can't cross-pollinate the pressure plates since the register depth is very different.
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Old Jan 16, 2012 | 05:25 PM
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Originally Posted by peejay
You may be able to see in through the inspection cover on top of the engine, and compare it to the flywheel information on the FAQ page at Mazdatrix's website. Specifically, you need to locate a casting number on the engine side of the flywheel.

All you need to know is if it's '79-80 (215mm), 81-82 (also 215mm), or '83-85 (225mm).

All 225mm interchange - you can use an FC clutch on an '83-up no problem. I've done it.

You can also use a 215mm disk on a 225mm system. Done that too. The only thing you can't do is put a 225mm disk on a 215 flywheel, and you can't cross-pollinate the pressure plates since the register depth is very different.
That will help greatly thanks for the tip!
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Old Jan 16, 2012 | 06:46 PM
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Yeah, ultimately it's all down to the flywheel.

Where it gets interesting is that the lightest N/A flywheels are the '81-82 and the '89-92, and some engine builders get fancy and rebalance them to work with different rotor sets, so it's possible to have a 12A with the lightweight '83-85 rotors and a '81-82 flywheel. This was a common mod for some forms of racing that required an OEM flywheel, and these altered flywheels are still kicking around...

So yeah, all you need to know is what species of flywheel you have and that's it.
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Old Jan 16, 2012 | 11:38 PM
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Yeah just went through a bit of this myself. Ended up using all 215mm stuff just for the sake of fitment on my fb. Should be all good. Good luck.

Last edited by cfamilyfix; Jan 16, 2012 at 11:41 PM. Reason: iPad posted by mistake
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Old Jan 17, 2012 | 03:31 AM
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peejay, you can cross-pollinate one way; a 225mm disc on an 81-82 flywheel.

You can use a 225mm pressure plate too* if you get the long bolt set from Racing Beat.


The 225mm disc and pressure plate.


81-82 flywheel


*It is the older design 225mm but pretty sure the newer design also fits.


Aluminum spacers that come in the kit work just as well on a stock flywheel as on a Racing Beat flywheel.


The only thing you can't do is a 215mm pressure plate on an 83-85 flywheel. I think the three alignment dowels hold the pressure plate up high enough so the bolts won't even thread in. It should be your first clue. Not you peejay, but the OP. Then there's the register depth.
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Old Jan 18, 2012 | 07:46 PM
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I concur with Jeff.
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Old Jul 10, 2015 | 08:55 PM
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apparently my ebay clutch kit has a 215 mm PP and the alignment dowels are spread further out, so it wont even bolt up. back to the drawing board. might try to clean and reuse the PP i took out of it for the mean time. flywheel is freshly resurfaced. was a NOS BWD kit .
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