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Another TII into a Series 2 swap.......
Hi all, been floating round on here a while popping up every now and again just silently learning so I don't look like a complete halfwit when I finally do something creative. So I've had my S2 for around 3 years, love it to death and have had plenty of fun with the 12A all stock apart from decent headers and stainless system...
http://i599.photobucket.com/albums/t...SCF0519mrc.jpg I wasn't in a particular rush to carry out any major surgery as the 12A is sweet as a nut but an S4 lump cropped up at a price I couldn't miss so off I went and collected it from the lock up it was hidden in. http://i599.photobucket.com/albums/t...7/IMG_0611.jpg It feels strong and from what I can see through the exhaust ports looks to be in good condition so fingers crossed. First things first lets get the 12A out... http://i599.photobucket.com/albums/t...7/IMG_0724.jpg And got the 13B on the bench... http://i599.photobucket.com/albums/t...7/52ca6b3f.jpg And set to work getting shot of what I didn't want. We are lucky here in the UK in that a pre '86 rotary only requires a visual emissions test regardless of engine so all the rats nest can be binned. Also to go was the stock turbo and S4 inlet gear and on went a 12AT front cover and RX4 sump with 12A pickup... http://i599.photobucket.com/albums/t...7/819877bb.jpg As you are probably aware, as we drive on the left there is fouling issues with the steering box so was lucky to be offered this HKS manifold with Turbonetics turbo. This has been on another S2 and made good power with minimal lag so at least i know it is proven. http://i599.photobucket.com/albums/t...o/b9005e3c.jpg Couldn't resist a test fit... http://i599.photobucket.com/albums/t...o/0a914048.jpg On the other end, and from the same car that supplied me the turbo is a Exedy (I think) flywheel with a healthy clutch thrown in so that with the oblicatory EGi counterweight is now in place... http://i599.photobucket.com/albums/t...o/a415e81f.jpg ALSO off of the other S2 (he's now going for big power with it so loads of surplus goodies for me!) is a full 3" stainless system and Microtech LT-8. And thats it so far, I have an S5 box ready just got to get creative with the mount, and have a stock TII oil cooler ready too so as soon as I get a minute of spare time I can get it together and get it in, then the fun begins. My fuel tank is shot so will probably just go with a 10 gallon alloy cell with brand new lines with a surge tank (also from the other S2 in question!). I have a good friend who builds rally car wiring looms so will be talking to him nicely about that side of things and so it goes on-loads to do but getting there slowly. Please if anyone can spot any blaringly obvious mistakes I am making come forward and comment-I know you've seen this swap done to death but one more can't hurt! I'll update when any major progress has been made.:) |
Looking good. G'luck with the build.
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Originally Posted by whitey85mtu
(Post 10443186)
Looking good. G'luck with the build.
Just got an intercooler, it's a bit overkill but nevermind it makes me smile. I'm want to mount it in front of the front beam with a bit poking out through the hole in the standard front fender so there is a hint of what is going on underneath. So here it is... http://i599.photobucket.com/albums/t...o/446cf531.jpg And here is the general idea of how it will sit although further back and a smidge higher... http://i599.photobucket.com/albums/t...o/71d849fd.jpg Piping it will be fun but I've never been one to make my life easy and I wanna do something a bit different.:) |
Is that a turbo flywheel? Which trans is in your car?
Your oil pan needs to be changed to a GSL-SE pan. The RX-4 type will not fit. |
Originally Posted by Jeff20B
(Post 10461148)
Is that a turbo flywheel? Which trans is in your car?
Your oil pan needs to be changed to a GSL-SE pan. The RX-4 type will not fit. Thats a bummer about the oilpan.:scratch: |
GSL-SE pan sorted-cheers Jeff that saved me a right ballache later down the line we thought the RX4 item was good to go so glad you spoke up.
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question: do you pronounce aluminum "al-you-min-ee-umm" like Jeremy Clarkson
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the reason it is pronounced that way is because the British spell it differently than well, everywhere else! It has an extra "i" in the spelling.
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You're welcome.
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Originally Posted by arghx
(Post 10463825)
question: do you pronounce aluminum "al-you-min-ee-umm" like Jeremy Clarkson
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this build looks sick....i think i might just have to follow this one
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Progress today...
http://i599.photobucket.com/albums/t...o/be8d6e8c.jpg http://i599.photobucket.com/albums/t...o/b639afad.jpg http://i599.photobucket.com/albums/t...o/83c12001.jpg http://i599.photobucket.com/albums/t...o/882b7c24.jpg On the downside the fuel tank is shot... http://i599.photobucket.com/albums/t...o/83fb225f.jpg But that's the only surprise rust so far so I'll take that. |
sucks about the fuel tank. Mine is rotted out as well.
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Originally Posted by Jibaro 12A
(Post 10478109)
sucks about the fuel tank. Mine is rotted out as well.
http://i599.photobucket.com/albums/t...o/83fb225f.jpg |
Looks like a fun project, hopefully you can enjoy when you are done and not have to sell it right away!!
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Originally Posted by madmax_087
(Post 10479976)
Looks like a fun project, hopefully you can enjoy when you are done and not have to sell it right away!!
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Can I have some input on my intercooler/radiator positioning guys, as you can see from the picture in an earlier post I mocked up a position for the IC with the rad just sat behind it. Before I commit to having mounts altered on the IC and brackets fabricated for the rad am I going to suffer from bad heat soak to the point where it would effect intake temperatures when moving? The rad won't be sat right on the IC as shown but stood off about 1", thats all I have clearancewise for the bottom hose. If the general concensus is that it wil suffer then I can put rad back in stock position and locate the IC in front of the front beam instead similar to the picture at beginning of thread.
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Subscribed!!! I want to do this to my 83 parts car so badly. Looking good so far.
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Originally Posted by captainbizzaro
(Post 10484342)
Can I have some input on my intercooler/radiator positioning guys, as you can see from the picture in an earlier post I mocked up a position for the IC with the rad just sat behind it. Before I commit to having mounts altered on the IC and brackets fabricated for the rad am I going to suffer from bad heat soak to the point where it would effect intake temperatures when moving? The rad won't be sat right on the IC as shown but stood off about 1", thats all I have clearancewise for the bottom hose. If the general concensus is that it wil suffer then I can put rad back in stock position and locate the IC in front of the front beam instead similar to the picture at beginning of thread.
If you mount the radiator in the stock position, you will have plenty of space for the intercooler in front, where heatsoak will not be a real problem. |
Originally Posted by cfamilyfix
(Post 10484406)
Subscribed!!! I want to do this to my 83 parts car so badly. Looking good so far.
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Originally Posted by Directfreak
(Post 10484420)
I wouldn't mount it like you currently have it. You will get heatsoak into both the radiator and the intercooler.
If you mount the radiator in the stock position, you will have plenty of space for the intercooler in front, where heatsoak will not be a real problem. |
Ok so I've collected the majority of stuff I need for the fuel system, so far I have...
Swirl Pot Solid S3 tank (wheel well will be removed and infilled with ally sheet) Bosch 044 Inline high pressure filter Inline Low pressure filter Couple of meters of high pressure fuel hose and fuel hose clips The one thing eluding me is a low pressure pump-would the stock pump flow enough to supply the swirl pot? |
any pics of your swirl pot ?
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Not to hand but I can take one-it's only a 1 litre pot but I'm not upping my injectors straight away so should be sufficient.
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The low pressure pump should flow enough to meet the hp demand of the engine. Otherwise the fuel level in the surge tank will drop under WOT. I can dig up a photo if you want to see how the pumps and surge tank all fit under there.
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Originally Posted by REVHED
(Post 10499808)
The low pressure pump should flow enough to meet the hp demand of the engine. Otherwise the fuel level in the surge tank will drop under WOT. I can dig up a photo if you want to see how the pumps and surge tank all fit under there.
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Bit of an update...got an S3 tank to replace my rusty one which meant cutting out the spare wheel well but that has made access for plumbing it all in nice and easy. So my surge tank arrived and I picked up some fuel hose and fittings so that is all ready to be pieced together.
My delivery of electrical bits and bobs arrived too allowing me to make a start on the loom so injector loom is done... http://i599.photobucket.com/albums/t...o/0240f981.jpg This allowed me to get on and reassemble the rest of the top end so this is far as I got today. (Elbow on order) http://i599.photobucket.com/albums/t...o/2e705b0c.jpg The throttle body has been simplified the best I could, it's an S5 body with the better TPS and I have stripped it of all the cruise control crap etc. I've also removed the one set of butterflies and chemical metaled up the holes that were left... http://i599.photobucket.com/albums/t...o/6987a06f.jpg Also today mounted the trailing ignitors... http://i599.photobucket.com/albums/t...o/505b5034.jpg Getting there. |
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being this is a s4 13b and i see you got a gsl-se front cover and what looks like a gsl-se oil pan what did you use for the oil pickup tube? the 13b turbo 2 pickup tube? |
No it's a 12a oil pickup.:)
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Got my intercooler back tonight with the brackets in the right place...
http://i599.photobucket.com/albums/t...o/22666887.jpg Offered it up and they are spot on so really happy with that, plus he's done an amazing job on them. |
thanks for the input Tim im going to use my 12a oil pickup tube since i have it . and wont be using my 12a anymore. not having luck finding a gsl-se oil pickup tube anyways . so that will make things easyer.
build is looking good would like to see more pics on the fuel setup. im doing something like this on my 81 gsl. so far i got a 13b s4 n/a and i got another stock turbo and making a custom header for it . only problem im running into to converting my tank to efi with a extra fc tank. like this idea. https://www.rx7club.com/1st-gen-archive-71/intake-efi-prepping-1st-gen-578184/ |
I like the idea of having an intank pump but I'm gonna stick with me external Bosch 044 and surge tank for this season and see how it pans out. I know it's gonna be noisy as hell in there but I've no interior so quiet isn't really on the agenda anyway!
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Bit more looming tonight-thought I'd sort out the sensor side of things (apart from the CAS which is screened) so the loom for water temp, air temp and TPS is done...
http://i599.photobucket.com/albums/t...o/0f595155.jpg And also the 3 pin plug crimped onto the TPS... http://i599.photobucket.com/albums/t...o/08a03471.jpg I want to retain the stock temp gauge too though so any thoughts on this? I guess I'll just have to tap another thread into the water pump area and fit a 12a thermosensor. |
Is there a coolant temp sensor on the rear housing area under the oil filter and bee hive cooler like on the 12a? You could use that...
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All sorted, the ECU can use the one on the thermostat housing and the stock needle can use the one under the oil filter pedestal. Cheers cfamilyfix.
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Bit more progress, tapped a thread into the chassis rail for the rubber isolation mounts to sit the IC on...
http://i599.photobucket.com/albums/t...o/9a240f25.jpg So intercooler now bolted in as is the radiator. Made my turbo oil feed and return... http://i599.photobucket.com/albums/t...o/c1a6371d.jpg http://i599.photobucket.com/albums/t...o/f671a8ba.jpg http://i599.photobucket.com/albums/t...o/2f866bdc.jpg Lastly, I set to work on the FC oil cooler. The brackets faced the wrong way for what I needed so added some angle iron to the existing bracket.... http://i599.photobucket.com/albums/t...o/be5ac461.jpg Added some 5x20mm flat bar to give me drop... http://i599.photobucket.com/albums/t...o/b4ab6291.jpg And hung it off of the front tubular beam using exhaust clamps.... http://i599.photobucket.com/albums/t...o/39e71a05.jpg This is a test fit as I plan to include some form of rubber mounting to replicate the idea of the stock bracket. The oil cooler itself isn't pretty as you can see, but it is oil tight and clear of debris. Next up, make oil cooler lines and finish fuel system. |
Made up coil loom the other night, also in this loom is the trigger for the electric fan relay which will be controlled by the ECU...
http://i599.photobucket.com/albums/t...o/be7f8daf.jpg Remounted the fusable links (to be replaced with a proper fuse box shortly) and mounted/connected fan relay... http://i599.photobucket.com/albums/t...o/4817a073.jpg Heratshrinked the alternator loom and connected up... http://i599.photobucket.com/albums/t...o/9a2235e4.jpg I'm picking up my switched +12V from the original coil feeds but as this supply is fused quite high a installed a small fuse box to protect the smaller cables going off to the ECU etc... http://i599.photobucket.com/albums/t...o/2c374c31.jpg And ran everything through the bulkhead to the glovebox... http://i599.photobucket.com/albums/t...o/0e91e7bd.jpg http://i599.photobucket.com/albums/t...o/3131922b.jpg And a little while later ended up with... http://i599.photobucket.com/albums/t...o/60cf8ab3.jpg Also went hunting around a junkyard for some fans and scored these out of a small euro hatchback- http://i599.photobucket.com/albums/t...o/d52eb358.jpg After a bit of trimming they fit well and only cost £10 ($15). |
all your work is coming together.....:bigthumb:
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This thread will be the blueprint for my parts car in the garage....thank you captainbizzarro for insuring I will be broke going into the year of 2012...lol. Serously, nice build!
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Originally Posted by cfamilyfix
(Post 10577887)
This thread will be the blueprint for my parts car in the garage....thank you captainbizzarro for insuring I will be broke going into the year of 2012...lol. Serously, nice build!
Thanks for the positive comments. |
Nice surprise in the mail today...
http://i599.photobucket.com/albums/t...o/c54c99db.jpg http://i599.photobucket.com/albums/t...o/8b5e10ac.jpg Couldn't resist test fitting my hoses, thankfully it all fits nicely... http://i599.photobucket.com/albums/t...o/5922a588.jpg As you can see in the second picture, I have the hose and fittings to make up the cooler lines. The company I dealt with crimped an M18 banjo on each end of 2m of hose for the cooler and supplied the other banjo and straight M16 fitting for the front cover to cover the engine end. That's my job for tomorrow, then it's time to fluid up and see what happens.:scratch: |
This is what happened! The initial smoke is from the oil I had in the housings while it was sat.
Make oil cooler lines...(boiling water and push fit onto barbed fittings) http://i599.photobucket.com/albums/t...o/a30be769.jpg Fluid up! http://i599.photobucket.com/albums/t...o/739c7d05.jpg No oil leaks, three water leaks but easy fixes.:) Test electrics... http://i599.photobucket.com/albums/t...o/b1c96090.jpg Annnnnnnnd... http://i599.photobucket.com/albums/t...h_90977a6a.jpg http://i599.photobucket.com/albums/t...h_0e95d4b5.jpg Tail shaft being made next week then exhaust on and map.:icon_tup: |
Sounds great!! Great job!!
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Thanks! Got a bit of fettling to do to make it idle properly but will wait until the exhaust is on for that as the open pipe is a bit antisocial!
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Braced top of intercooler last night to prevent any unwanted movement, finished gearbox mount-modified an S5 mount in the end...
http://i599.photobucket.com/albums/t...o/9d50d5a5.jpg And started reassembly of the nose... http://i599.photobucket.com/albums/t...o/67a6de6d.jpg |
Everything externally back in one piece now, exhaust on today then calibrated TPS and now we got a nice idle. Pretty happy right now.
http://i599.photobucket.com/albums/t...h_43d17c28.jpg Also got a safe map done to allow me to get some mileage on to check for leaks etc before proper mapping and boost. This was only at 0.2Bar but still love the noise. Loving being back in a working rotang.:) http://i599.photobucket.com/albums/t...h_7c5ec83b.jpg http://i599.photobucket.com/albums/t...o/3ab9ab3c.jpg Nice pic with grandad rx2 in the background.:icon_tup: |
Nice work!
BTW - is that an RX2 I see in the background of the last pic?? :nod: :nod: |
Originally Posted by captainbizzaro
(Post 10597114)
Nice pic with grandad rx2 in the background.:icon_tup:
Originally Posted by mazmonz
(Post 10612139)
Nice work!
BTW - is that an RX2 I see in the background of the last pic?? :nod: :nod: Nice work! Id love to get a turbo engine into my FB also. Someday I will Im sure... ~T.J. |
Originally Posted by mazmonz
(Post 10612139)
Nice work!
BTW - is that an RX2 I see in the background of the last pic?? :nod: :nod: |
Is there anyway of having more fun with your clothes on than driving a 13BT FB?
I don't think there is. (click on picture for short vid) http://i599.photobucket.com/albums/t...h_7a1d9115.jpg :egrin::egrin::egrin: |
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