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Old May 7, 2009 | 01:08 PM
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When i hit the gas the car really takes off but sometimes it sputters slightly on higher rpm........ If I just got got done getting on the gas, like it still needs to fill the bowls back up. Thats why I'm first gonna change my line and see what happens. And another clue I don't know how to interpret is that it runs WAY better when it's raining and a little cooler. But as soon as it starts warming up it gets way worse.......
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Old May 7, 2009 | 02:48 PM
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Have you checked the fuel pressure? Have you checked the float levels?

When it is raining and colder the air is more dense. Don't quote me on this but I think that means you are running rich. I could be wrong though.
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Old May 7, 2009 | 06:02 PM
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That would make sense... And like i said i need the larger lines for better pressure. From what i can see you can't adjust the float bowl levels..... where my other carb adjusted this new one doesn't have a screw.
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Originally Posted by risingsunroof82
Well now I have two different theory's here........ one is to go down in size and the other is to go up....... Now heres some q's i need answered....... is my primary jet a 64 and my secondary is what size???? And theres only one jet for primary and one jet for secondary too right? And I thought when running you didn't want a ratio of more than 10 something? And you say your pv is 5.5 when mine is 64??? those sizes don't even match up..... So whats my game plan??!?!?! What should I do?!?!?!?!
ok... primary and secondary each have a set of (2) jets. i started with 54 went to 58 it was better but still CRAP the 66 was the next size that i had so i put them in and wow you could drive it. and it drove good. i got some more jets this week. i may need to change the pv but i dont want to change a lot at once. and im a bit lean still. you need to run bigger jets in a 600 than a 465.
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Old May 8, 2009 | 09:39 AM
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That would make sense... And like i said i need the larger lines for better pressure. From what i can see you can't adjust the float bowl levels..... where my other carb adjusted this new one doesn't have a screw.
There is always a way to adjust the float, I've never seen a 4bl carb that didn't have a way. can you post some pics of the carb?
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Old May 8, 2009 | 02:48 PM
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Ok, my elevation is 1600 feet. Just thought I'd throw that in there for tuning purposes.
Since I started at 64 and it still needs adjusted do you think I need to go up? And are my secondary's ok where they're at? Heres some pics.

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Old May 8, 2009 | 02:50 PM
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Another attempt... lol
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you could be running out of fuel when its braking up. id try going up 2 or 3 sizes

and you cant change your secondarys right?
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fpr regulator is too close to the carb, if you have the stock fuel pump you don't need the fpr, only move 2 jet sizes at a time, float adjustments are internal, you need to remove the bowls, and that fpr is crap (sorry). You cannot adjust the jetting in your secondaries unless you replace the metering plate with a different one every time or buy the qft plate http://www.quickfueltechnology.com/home_2.htm Next is the powervalve, do you know what to do with that?
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Old May 9, 2009 | 11:53 PM
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Yeah I know the reg is crap, it was alright on my other set up but I needed it for now cause I do have a LARGER fuel pump...... for the hundreth time! lol It quite large enough, 115 GPH at 7 psi and i tried running without the reg but it was just too much so I had to use mr gasket reg for now. I have a vac operated regulater I'm gonna install when I go 3/8, I have everything ready I just need to find a window of time to do it, which should be tomorrow. I was just gonna run a vac line from the carb to the regulator, that should work perfect right?
And whats the difference if the regs a foot from the carb or 5 feet from the carb? And i have no idea what to do with the powervalve.
We just picked up another 600 holley for free from a friend so I'm gonna take the jets out and see whats in it, if they're a bit bigger I'll try em and see how it runs. Where and how do you take the jets out?
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Old May 10, 2009 | 11:11 PM
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Update....... I installed the 3/8 line and my vac controlled pressure reg today. But the reg wasn't working corectly, it must have been letting too much fuel cause it was pushing past the bowls. So I had to resort back to the mr gasket reg... lol But now the car seems to act worse than before, just from the larger lines?!?! Is that possible? I have a return line. Either way i still need to install different jets....... FRUSTRATING!!!!!!!
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what reg did you get? i think you only need the vac line if your running boost. if we can get a pic/ model of the reg maby we can help with that.
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Can you locate a remote vac guage (hook a vac line up to the carb, and run the hose inside the car). Have a friend monitor the guage as you drive, I need to know idle, mild acceleration, firm accel, and full throttle results. Also, do you have the holley spring assortment for the vac secondaries??
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Old May 11, 2009 | 10:49 AM
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No, I haven't gotten the spring kit yet and I went back to my mr gasket reg like I stated before. It works pretty well but I would like to get another one soon. I'll try the vac trick this weekend maybe...... I'll try!
And I'll see if I can get pics of the reg too, if I can find my camera. lol
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Another update!!! Well I took apart the parts carb and removed the jet which were 66's! So as i was taking my carb apart to install them I noticed i didn't replace my cap for the port i was using for my vac reg. So thats why it got worse. So i progressed to installing the 66 jets and WOW! It's so much better!!!! It's such a relief!!! So I'm gonna invest in maybe two sizes bigger like a set of 68 and maybe a set of 70's too, just to tune it better. I'm still also gonna get the quick adjuster secondary diaphram cover.
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Congrats.

When you get the secondary diaphram cover don't forget you will need to also get the spring kit.
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congrats.

its your vac. regulator thats throwing me off. the only ones i know of that you need to hook up the vac. line for is used for boost.
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Old May 11, 2009 | 09:26 PM
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600 cfm holley on 12a streetport

A 600 cfm holley is way to big for a 12a streetport dont get me wrong it will run but not as good as a smaller carb would . Bigger is not always better spend your money wisely and get a racing beat carb for your specific application.
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A 600 cfm holley is way to big for a 12a streetport dont get me wrong it will run but not as good as a smaller carb would . Bigger is not always better spend your money wisely and get a racing beat carb for your specific application.

Just bolting on a racing beat carb doesnt mean ****. there is a difference between "it runs" and "runs very well."
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Old May 11, 2009 | 09:41 PM
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600 cfm holley on 12a streetport......

that is exactly my point.
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Old May 11, 2009 | 10:09 PM
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Yeah, The reg i was using for vac was for a boosted setup. lol I thought it would still work somehow but now that I think about it ........... Geeze.
And yes, spending my money wisely is what I'm trying to do. You know how much those racing beat carbs are alone?!?! The 600 was pretty much half the cost! I think I'll save myself the $300 and tune it myself and get the satisfaction and knowledge outta it. Even if I woulda bought one from them I still prolly would have had to do some adjusting odviously.
And the quick adjust diaphram cover is to make having to change springs one by one and disassembling the whole thing obsolete. This way you only have to twist the screw in the top of the cover to advance or retard the secondarys.
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Oh, and i know it's "too big" but if thats the case why did I have to go with bigger jets????
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[QUOTE=risingsunroof82;9200524]Yeah, The reg i was using for vac was for a boosted setup. lol I thought it would still work somehow but now that I think about it ........... Geeze.
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if its a carb reg you should be ok just dont put the vac line on it.

if its a FI reg. sell it.

fwiw. im running a carb boost ref. fpr. im not getting boost yet and it works just fine. but with the vac line on the carb hat it will only see about 1-2 lb of vac.


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Originally Posted by risingsunroof82
Oh, and i know it's "too big" but if thats the case why did I have to go with bigger jets????
more air so you need more gas for the right mix. i've got a 600dp but i would have got a 390 if it didn't cost an arm and a leg.
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Old May 12, 2009 | 12:05 AM
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Are the 390's a double pumper? And wouldn't that be just a smidge too small?
And i know everybodys been telling me to do this but would it really be THAT much better if i put my metering plate and jets on my 465?
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