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Old 01-16-07, 05:25 AM
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16,17,18" WHEELS FOR 1GEN TIP:)

HEY anders here,, just wanted to present a tip for everybody that is looking for rims to their 1gen rx (4x110)

I called a guy here in norway to help out my friend who has a 1gen..this guy I called was selling his ATV,, and i knew that ATVs also have bolt pattern 4x110..

He told me that he does sell wheels and tires for a living, and they had done some calculations and testings, and found out that they could use BOLT PATTERN 4X108, witch is among others, wheels for some FORDs and AUDI and probbably a few more.... he also had a friend that drives 1gen-rallycars.. and this friend only uses these rims,,,

SO GOOD LUCK AND I HOPE MY TIP MIGHT HELP UPGRADE YOUR CARS OUT THERE..
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This little tip has been known for a while now. 4x108 is close enough to work, but the wheels MUST be hub centric to be centered properly. One option is to use standard studs, but some will say that the side loads imparted on the stud from having to bend slightly are too great and the stud will snap off too easily. 1mm isn't much, but enough to cause problems in a racing situation. Another option is to use a floating head bolt. This type of bolt doesn't have a head thats fixed onto the bolt but it floats, allowing the conical part of the head to be offset from the centerline of the bolt. These aren't as strong as standard bolts though, so again they are no good for racing.
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Let's kill this idea right here and now, again. ATV wheels are not built to hold the induced loads of a car, period. 4X108 is not a great idea and here in the States, ATV wheels do come in the 4X110 pcd, DO NOT use them!!!
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He wasn't suggesting to use the ATV wheels. He was saying that the 4x108 wheels from cars could be used.
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Originally Posted by 85rotarypower
He wasn't suggesting to use the ATV wheels. He was saying that the 4x108 wheels from cars could be used.
Yeah,

But Trochoid is correct in stating it like he did.... Their are too many younger members of the forum, who lack the experience to correctly judge what is safewhen it comes to fitting issues like this.

For a car thats strictly show having a non standard, non DOT compliant wheel on your car that has a pitch issue of a millimeter or so is not an issue. for a racer who can chuck said rim up in his shop lathe and ream, or cut the holes out once again not an issue.

but there are two many youngsters who hang out here who would simply say "great! I'll throw those on my car" and another chapter is written in the laws of physics involving youth, cornering loads, high speed and snapped studs......


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Damn, just when I was going to put on some nice fat ATV tires!
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The 4x108 wheels can be machined to the 4x110 bolt pattern for about $25.00 per wheel. This wooked well for me.
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HEY look I am 28 years old, so if i`m a yougster,that makes u 60+
you are probbably a very "stock" kind of a person when it comes to cars.. but i`m not and i know there is a lot of youngster under 60 that don`t mind trying out somthing new... and if u read again (EVERYTHING) i wrote u can see that this dude i was talking to, had A FRIEND that drives rally cars (track) and he uses 4x108 wheels.... judge yourself, and drive safe...

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Yeah,

But Trochoid is correct in stating it like he did.... Their are too many younger members of the forum, who lack the experience to correctly judge what is safewhen it comes to fitting issues like this.

For a car thats strictly show having a non standard, non DOT compliant wheel on your car that has a pitch issue of a millimeter or so is not an issue. for a racer who can chuck said rim up in his shop lathe and ream, or cut the holes out once again not an issue.

but there are two many youngsters who hang out here who would simply say "great! I'll throw those on my car" and another chapter is written in the laws of physics involving youth, cornering loads, high speed and snapped studs......


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Originally Posted by trochoid
Big knobbies I hope.
Damn skippy. I wanted it to sound like a 4x4 going down the street. The nice hum of the tires with the brap of the motor.
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Originally Posted by VIOLATAZ
HEY look I am 28 years old, so if i`m a yougster,that makes u 60+
you are probbably a very "stock" kind of a person when it comes to cars.. but i`m not and i know there is a lot of youngster under 60 that don`t mind trying out somthing new... and if u read again (EVERYTHING) i wrote u can see that this dude i was talking to, had A FRIEND that drives rally cars (track) and he uses 4x108 wheels.... judge yourself, and drive safe...
Well, I don't know about kenn's age, but stock, not on your life. His widebody turbo build will put everyone else's to shame, including mine and Dan's. My kids are on each side of you age wise and my car is a bit past stock.

I do have a set of 4X108 wheels laying around that have been machined to 4X110. They come complete with studs and lug shanks. I choose not to use them, even though they are a decent mesh pattern. Just don't like the idea for my safety.

My biggest problem is the use/suggestion of ATV wheels. This has come up 3 times in less than a year and is a dangerous and potentially deadly suggestion. Why do you think ATVs have such a rare bolt pattern? My guess is so they aren't installed on cars. What's your guess?
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"My biggest problem is the use/suggestion of ATV wheels. This has come up 3 times in less than a year and is a dangerous and potentially deadly suggestion. Why do you think ATVs have such a rare bolt pattern? My guess is so they aren't installed on cars. What's your guess?"
... so you can put +'s on your atv?
HELLS YEAH!
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Originally Posted by glewsRx
... so you can put +'s on your atv?
HELLS YEAH!
Now that's a wheel swap I could live with, lol.
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I was thinking of putting rotor rims on the ATV!

Who has that pic of the ATC with 22'S???
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hey look... i never suggested the use of ATV-wheels on any car,, it might be that my english is poor, but if u read what i wrote u will see...
This thread wasn`t suppose to **** off or anoy anybody... I just wanted to present a tip on how to get awsome wheels on your 1gen rides... and when it comes to safety: we all know that it is illigal to drive faster than the speed limit, someplaces even to burn rubber etc, if so,,, why would anyone ever need an upgrde or more horsepower in their cars... it is no problem to maintain the speed limit with an original-stock engine hehe...


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Well, I don't know about kenn's age, but stock, not on your life. His widebody turbo build will put everyone else's to shame, including mine and Dan's. My kids are on each side of you age wise and my car is a bit past stock.

I do have a set of 4X108 wheels laying around that have been machined to 4X110. They come complete with studs and lug shanks. I choose not to use them, even though they are a decent mesh pattern. Just don't like the idea for my safety.

My biggest problem is the use/suggestion of ATV wheels. This has come up 3 times in less than a year and is a dangerous and potentially deadly suggestion. Why do you think ATVs have such a rare bolt pattern? My guess is so they aren't installed on cars. What's your guess?
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Originally Posted by glewsRx
"My biggest problem is the use/suggestion of ATV wheels. This has come up 3 times in less than a year and is a dangerous and potentially deadly suggestion. Why do you think ATVs have such a rare bolt pattern? My guess is so they aren't installed on cars. What's your guess?"
... so you can put +'s on your atv?
HELLS YEAH!

Now i want a photochopped picture of this or a real one would be better
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