Mazda Part Availability
 

Called up my two local Mazda dealers yesterday and gave them the part number for a 79-82 fuel pump. Came up with nothing. Then they asked for the year, 1984... Was informed by both that their system cannot go older than 1986. Tried ordering from tasca instead. Half expecting that to get cancelled, might just have to go with atkins.

Is there another way to get the Mazda parts people to find these parts?

Is there a legacy system that maintains the pre 1985 catalogs?

Seems like there a rolling cut off at 35 years, but all the info on our cars should be somewhere on a Windows xp, 3.1 or tape drive accessible by someone who knows where to look. The parts still exist, but who to talk to?

I've had better luck ordering from dealers that let you search for parts online. Prices (don't forget shipping) vary across the country, so it pays to shop around.

Mazdatrix also shows first gen pumps available.

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Here you go.....


https://www.mazdatrix.com/product/fuel-pump-rx7-79-82

I'm well aware of the third party places to order things. Trying to understand Mazda's parts system to figure out how to continue to get parts through them in the future. Hopefully they expand their legacy program of rx7 parts for fc and fd's into our realm in the near future too.

Figured j9fd3s might have some insight or someone else that's worked there in the past/present.

An example of one that I have been trying to get a quote for through Mazda that third party places don't normally stock.

Fender - Driver's Side (LH) - (FA01-52-211D)

Ok....here you go....

https://www.realmazdaparts.com/oem-p...der-fa0152211d

Thanks, haven't used them yet. The ultimate reason for trying to get a local parts dealer to order the larger pieces (especially if the windshield ever gets reproduced) is to have them handle shipping cost and risk and I get to pick it up in person.

And yes, entering part numbers into Google is generally how I find parts too.

The problem is that most of the local dealers don't have the parts...there are few and far in between that have the NOS parts available....and you will need to get them shipped...

that is not how it works... Fenders are not NOS, i bought 3 of the last 5 last year, and they ordered 14 more. Mazda USA has them in the warehouse, and when the dealership orders it Mazda ships it to them.

its not a rolling cut off, the short answer is that they changed the catalog software again (we know of about 9 different ones). however the catalog, and the order screens are two different things. so if you have a part number they can check availability and order stuff.

the PDF of the microfiche is here Foxed.ca - Mazda RX-7 Manuals

and then for the 3rd party places, they usually don't go back that far, and its about a rolling 20 year thing, so if they didn't catalog the part number they are not going too.

I don't know...I'm just going by what the op is saying. I have never ordered fenders from Mazda but the majority of what they got available is NOS either from them or from Mazda...

It took literally one minute to get him the fender listing but he don't want to pay shipping🤷‍♂️

If he can order them and his local dealer ship is able to get them,, good for him,, if not gotta pay shipping...

Thanks J9, interesting that they did recently change their system. Makes me wonder if any of the online parts places are able to look up those parts at all themselves. Websites would still work since the information is still loaded into the html scripts. I've tried to order from Tasca recently and they have yet to confirm that they can get them at all. I've tried calling them and got stuck on infinite hold multiple times. I'll try other online places shortly to confirm they are in the same boat. I've submitted RFQ's to them and have yet to receive a response over many months. Will try Mazda USA with a general inquiry too.

Thinking out loud; if the local Mazda parts departments are not able to look up parts, then what makes the online ones (which are Mazda parts dealers too) able to use the same system to look up the parts that are no longer in that same system? The order screen you mentioned, is that something that I could ask a parts counter clerk to go into and try instead of the current broken system?

There has to be some way to directly contact Mazda outside of the pre 1986 cutoff. Which is why I'm looking for someone that used to work there and understands their parts system. To reiterate, when I provided part numbers to any dealer, they were unable to find the item, even with full part numbers pulled from the fiche that are known to be in stock. I used the left fender because J9 checked the stock, and confirmed availability, of that in a recent thread.

The point of this thread is to not find a specific part, I used an example to point out the general larger issue, hence the general name of the thread.

You are the one making a big deal out of it... If the dealer can't find it Google it and find the part, ordering and get it..... It's not that hard...

The problem is that you want to find it in the dealership 5 min from your house and it's just not going to happen....

swbtm your car is an antique and there's not enough profit in it for Mazda to care. Trying to find the parts, new used or fabricated, is part of the fun.

If you are trying to create a better system for Mazda to use, then I commend you, and good luck. But normally when somebody comes here looking for a part, everybody loves to help them. Everybody's a hobbyist and car lover here.

Internet keyboard muscles rarely get the better of me. This was one of the few occasions.

Anyways, thanks to 82transam I checked out Ray Crowe and found this thread.

Post #106 all the way at the bottom.
https://www.rx7club.com/3rd-gen-gene...1092922/page5/

I got in touch with him today. He was able to look up all the parts I was interested in and a bunch of others on the rainy day list. Apparently Mazda just randomly turns off part numbers even if stock still exists. I will definitely be ordering from him. Some of the stuff he was able to look up is only stocked in Japan, some of the larger items (front left quarter) has to be freight. Prices are quite good and shipping is extremely reasonable, even freight. He's in Delaware for pickup, not too far of a drive from North NJ. Will be getting more details soon.

As an aside, after talking to Mazda USA customer service today a couple times. Learned that they don't claim to support any vehicles beyond 10 years old. :scratch:

yeah you should have given them the part number, and they go and check and say yes or no (like Ray did), if they just say no and don't go check they should be yelled at because they suck (probably by the owner/general manager)... its one of my pet peeves (like when a mechanic says no problem found, like people bring the car to the shop because its fun...)

we used to yell at Mazda too, but they didn't understand why having warehouses full of parts that aren't in the catalog was a problem...

Dealerships are in the business of selling NEW cars nd servicing those that can be maintained quickly and easily at shop rates to turn an income. Your Rx7 has none of these qualities, so wanting them to look up parts for a 1984 vehicle isn't going to draw a lot of interest.

I will say, though that I bought a new OEM short block for a 1996 LandCruiser that was in stock, could be ordered, and the Toyota dealer shipped it from Japan to get it for me, so it happens, but rarely.This was not an inexpensive part, though which becomes a factor in terms of how much time and effort they want to devote to helping a customer. I even had the engine block delivered to a 3rd party shop that did the work for me, so its not like the Toyota dealership was making a ton on the labor rate.

If you find a good online source that lets us enter the Mazda stock number and they order it and ship it, we would all be interested in that service,

In case this hasn't been seen anyone yet. It's been months since this came out. I had forgotten about it until I referenced it in an email to Mazda USA.

https://www.thedrive.com/news/38239/...le-in-february

https://www.mazda.co.jp/globalassets...tslist_rx7.pdf

Yes, the SA/FB is missing completely, I'm still holding out hope that they extend that program into the first gen and earlier rotaries.

yes but the parts department sells parts, and if i had a dealership and my parts guy was too lazy to sell parts when the customer even brought the part number, i would be mad, wouldn't you? the bathrooms would get a good cleaning

pics! just for fun. first is the parts catalog, GEPCII (the original EPC, on OS2 only went back to 1986 also, we had microfiche primarily). pic #2 is from the Availability screen, as you can see they have some FA01-52-211D's in GA (Georgia?)

https://cimg2.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.rx7...aae6639fe8.png

so you can't look up the part, but you can still get them.
https://cimg5.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.rx7...93e7061c60.png
and then there is a 3rd piece of software for the actual invoice, ADP, Reynolds and Reynolds, among others

So they are still being produced? Wild.
My new GSL-SE rotor housings look "new", they have QR codes stamped in them and stuff. The casting/machining quality is also way behind what a period production part has, so clearly they aren't exactly cranking them out like sausages.

i was surprised too, i mean i guess they sell them, but the cars are so old!

the GSL-SE rotor housing is another one, they actually sell those! currently Mazda USA is out, but they have some on order.
that one makes more sense, they have a whole rotary engine factory that is tooled up to make rotary engines, so you might as well make rotary engines....

QR codes on housings just sounds funny...

Thanks J9! So, Mazdas parts system is called GEPCII? Is that a standalone program that can be installed on any os? Doesn't even look like a Linux gui, which is what I imagined it would be. Guessing that you need an employee id to be able to log in and check stock, especially to order. Is the order screen a completely different interface from the parts catalog and availability screen? Do they all share the same back end connection to the catalog or does everything get broken between the other due to "improvements"?

I've been quiet until I had a chance to speak with Ray and sort out some details. First things first, he is quite responsive and polite. I probably invoked the reaction of "who the eff is this guy" when I sent him a random list if things to check. Everything from hard top roof panels to headlight adjuster stops. I'll post up the list in a few days so everyone can see what came back as available vs NLA.

Talking with a former FB racer, he was telling me that the 10 year support of vehicles is actually a federal law. Different manufacturers handle it in different ways, some increase prices right around year 9 to insane levels and that's why they still have stock years later. Sounds like Mazda is one of the better ones in this regard.

Maybe some dealers are different, but I have not had any issues ordering (available) FB parts from my local dealers. First use google to see if they are available. if the part number shows up on various online Mazda dealer sites, its available. If its hard to find, or goes to pages that say NLA.. probably not.

I either call them with a list of part numbers or go in and give them a table. They tell me what is and is not available. Then I order, pre-pay with credit card, and the parts show up in a few days.

I even gave the one parts guy a list of a dozen bolts for all the rear suspension links and other misc items to replace, brake line clips etc. They always wonder what the heck I am up to with all these parts lol.

https://cimg3.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.rx7...62348e8f70.jpg

There's no federal law for vehicle support aside from meeting warranty obligations.
I can think of some cars from recent memory where there were NO service parts available, like internal engine parts for the LT5 engine from the ZR-1. Chevy contracted Mercury Marine to build engines, but not supply replacement parts.
There were some Grand National parts that were never available, as well.
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the Parts catalog, GEPCII, Global Electronic Parts Catalog; so it does North America. the II is the current non flash version, which was a big improvement. it runs in a browser, so there is nothing on the computer. the original EPC, which was the best one, was OS2, and it did get installed on the computer, if any of these was worth hacking its this one. there is also a snap on one, and then we had an other 3rd party one for a while, these two went back to the 1st gen, MAZDA

the availability/order screens are the eMDCS, Electronic Dealer Communication System, on the website.

so the parts catalog is one piece of software, the order screen is a second, and if there was an invoice that would be a 3rd, copy and paste are your friends!

Oky, now you've got me intrigued... How much are new Mazda OEM Factory SE 13b Housings? (*with or without QR codes...)

please shoot me a PM, Mazda turns the website off on Sundays, and after hours

I got fed up with trying to navigate Mazdaspeed's website and having to call them to verify my race results every time I want to place an order, so I just bought them on eBay, they were like $1100 shipped for the pair. I could have saved a bit by going through MMD but, well, ass pain.

Available
 

Here's the part of the list that came back as being available. Some are only stocked in Japan.

https://cimg0.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.rx7...cc2a0ab6a6.jpg

Nla
 

And here is the much longer list of what is No Longer Available. This just happened to be what I'm interested in at this time, there are plenty others to check, but at least you get an idea of the current state of things.
https://cimg3.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.rx7...2d692d4108.jpg

Somewhat random, found these while looking into rebuilding my door cards. The FB mounting holes are 8mm (5/16") so these should work. I'm replacing the card material so the mounting hole circle can change if needed to accommodate the bug clips. They have separate $9 kits of each that are in stock too.

https://www.jbugs.com/product/DP-Ins...html?rrec=true

Picked up the parts yesterday. The fenders and all the parts look great. Ray was really nice to work with. Defintely recommend :icon_tup:

https://cimg7.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.rx7...5c94bce41.jpeg

Somewhere along the way, people ended up believing series 2+ fenders were NLA , when in reality it's series 1 fenders that are NLA . I had to hunt down two new ones sold on here for a good five months haha .

Sadly I can confirm the SA fenders are NLA. Now that I have the FB ones too, I'll see what the exact difference is to the SA side by side. Just looking quickly, cutting up the $140 new FB one and grafting on the SA specific stuff seems reasonable and worthwhile.

the main differences is the bumper area. the rest may be unchanged.

Since SA's have hideous bumpers, maybe you're better off.

https://cimg2.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.rx7...c5e78e999a.png

everything under the mold line is different, the lip around the wheel arch extends further down on the FB and the bumper also curves up below that point, you cant modify them to make them into SA ones due to how that lip arches beyond teh point it does on the SA .

LOL - was about to say just that about FB bumpers....
:angel:
Stu A
80GS
AZ

This! FB bumpers are ugly as all hell. SA bumpers look correct.

It's like the difference between a steel bumper C3 Corvette and the Endura bumper abominations.

I agree with the 'Vette example but it's different on the RX7. On the vette the thin, sleek, all-steel/chrome bumpers on the '68, '69 ('70?) looks awesome. But on the SA it's square and chunky, with "afterthought" looking black end caps to hide the square ends. They were never thin and graceful.

Here's the beautifully thin, sculpted bumpers of the early C3 -
https://cimg3.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.rx7...981d5ea77d.jpg
https://cimg4.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.rx7...05d17978d.jpeg

and here's the SA bumper -
https://cimg0.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.rx7...3a5cb21963.jpg

https://cimg8.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.rx7...879241e9a.jpeg
https://cimg9.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.rx7...0716a432f4.jpg
Hey beauty's in the eye of the beholder. But the chunky SA bumpers with those hideous black ends just look, to my eye, as if the car had originally been designed with nice bumpers but then Mazda was told "Slap some 5mph bumpers on it or you can't import it to the US". And they came up with those things in one week.

I understand not liking the endura bumpers compared to the slim non-safety bumpers before them (think Corvette, Camaro). But the RX7 never had slim sexy non-safety bumpers. It started life with ugly 5mph safety bumpers. But after 2 years of ugly duckling they covered them with endura and made them look sleek and modern (for the time).
When I see SA's I see an unfinished car.

Eye of the beholder. I'm not trying to dog anybody's car.

I love early 2nd gen Camaros. I like the 1st gens too, but as a child of the 70's I've always liked '70's American auto styling (early'70's).

The early 2nd gen Camaro could be bought with a thin full length crome bumper or the iconic 2-piece split bumper.
https://cimg0.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.rx7...44259741e8.jpg
https://cimg2.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.rx7...a1687f81f.jpeg
They were beautiful but neither would protect you or your fenders from a 2mph bump with a shopping cart (just like the early C3 'Vette).
So somewhere around '74 they got a safer big -bumper that looks more like the SA bumper...
https://cimg7.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.rx7...3939cf6547.jpg
I don't particularly like this bumper. It's a good looking car, overall, but not as sleek as the earlier thin bumpers. Then the designers decided to cover it in endura plastic, to blend it in.
https://cimg2.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.rx7...f667fe69c6.jpg
And while I can appreciate the way everything blends together and is all body color (like modern cars), I would never buy one of these. I'd give a couple fingers for a 70.5 split bumper Camaro, but wouldn't pay $1000 for the blue '75 here (other than to quick flip it).

So where the heck am I going with this? Oh yeah... So you can't say the SA vs FB bumpers are like '68 C3 Vette vs '74 Vette. It's much more like '74ish Camaro big chrome vs '76 Camaro endura covered.

And I'd take your side if we were talking Camaros. But we're not. We're talking 1982 Ford Escort bumpers on an otherwise sexy little sports car.

The FB fixed that.

Or made it worse...
:ponder:

We could go round-and-round with this of course. From the SA-stand point their bumper was part of the concept of the car from the first rendered X-605 prototype drawings of mid 70s. Arguably with the concept of some sort of required impact protection all new cars required. But hardly an add-on. Fun-fact, the World-model (Europe, Japan, etc) SA bumpers actually fit in CLOSER to the body since they did not require the piston assys behind them the N. Am models did. And thus use just plain brackets like early 60, 70s cars used.
Nice to have the choices btw the 2 for both 'sides'. Speaking for myself, and perhaps a few SA owners, it is the change TO the porpoise-nose FB style that cemented my love of the SA.
Po-tay-toe/ Po-tah-to...

Stu A
80GS
AZ

Yes, to each their own. They are both beautiful versions of the same iconic car.

Some guys like gawky buck toothed skinny chick's, and some like curvy pretty girls with better brakes. To each their own.

Or the toothy chick with upgraded brakes?

:D

Stu A
80GS
AZ

RX-7 is a wedge from the 70s. If you want an ugly curvy car, get an FC :)

I'd say the FC is more of a boxy wedge, like the 3rd gen Celica and Accord.

I can't see much of a difference from google image search. A while back someone, maybe RE-Speed, made a bumper shock eliminator kit that also shortened the mounting. It helped elminate the park bench look. Like a 240Z vs. 280Z.

:bowdown:
Fun stuff, but we have so TOTALLY Jacked this Thread. My apologies to the OP....

Stu A
80GS
AZ

No need to apologize, all good. I got lucky (in my eyes) and ended up with an 84 with an SA converted front end. I already had an unused xenon air dam for the SA, some funky one that has brake duct ports that will perfectly fit some fog lights. Pulled this pic from here a few years back, don't recall who's car this is, but I'm trying to get that fitment when I get around to body work. Not sure if I want to go with the fender mirrors, already have NA Miata power mirrors waiting for stock location or fender... If they look good there, that would be neat, got them just for stability and better glass. I'm pseudo recreating my old 90 mx6 color scheme, classic red with gray -> Sunrise red and gray/black should look very good. Oh, I do have the SA rear bumper waiting to get modified to accept the license plate. Really good condition white, but it came with front side rubbers :scratch:. I kind of feel bad about cutting that one up, if anyone has a surface rusty one and side rear rubbers, let me know. I'm blasting, welding and painting it anyway, as long as the metal is solid and straight...

Again, not my car, but very nice.
https://cimg3.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.rx7...526ca6043.jpeg
https://cimg4.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.rx7...381d67d04.jpeg